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Old 08-10-2010, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Man without health care sues state over $2G fine - BostonHerald.com
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Old 08-10-2010, 08:34 AM
 
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What that man doesn't understand is that if he gets in an accident or suddenly falls ill(like if he has a stroke) and he has no health insurance,who pays for his massive medical bills? In no way can he pay 450,000 out of pocket for a hospital stay of 2 weeks. I find that opponents of the Mass. forced health insurance often neglect that part. Does he know that if he doesn't pay or can't the hospitals have to absorb the bill,the hospital. Would then ask the state for funds to cover the uninsured,and then what? Taxes get raised,or even worse,the hospital closes.

You do not have the freedom to not pay your hospital bills. Or if he is an accident maybe they should send him home. If you don't pay your car mechanic,you don't get your car back. i
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Old 08-10-2010, 09:18 AM
 
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What that man doesn't understand is that if he gets in an accident or suddenly falls ill(like if he has a stroke) and he has no health insurance,who pays for his massive medical bills? In no way can he pay 450,000 out of pocket for a hospital stay of 2 weeks. I find that opponents of the Mass. forced health insurance often neglect that part. Does he know that if he doesn't pay or can't the hospitals have to absorb the bill,the hospital. Would then ask the state for funds to cover the uninsured,and then what? Taxes get raised,or even worse,the hospital closes.

You do not have the freedom to not pay your hospital bills. Or if he is an accident maybe they should send him home. If you don't pay your car mechanic,you don't get your car back. i
I have yet to hear of anyone forced to own a car.
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Old 08-10-2010, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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What that man doesn't understand is that if he gets in an accident or suddenly falls ill(like if he has a stroke) and he has no health insurance,who pays for his massive medical bills? In no way can he pay 450,000 out of pocket for a hospital stay of 2 weeks. I find that opponents of the Mass. forced health insurance often neglect that part. Does he know that if he doesn't pay or can't the hospitals have to absorb the bill,the hospital. Would then ask the state for funds to cover the uninsured,and then what? Taxes get raised,or even worse,the hospital closes.

You do not have the freedom to not pay your hospital bills. Or if he is an accident maybe they should send him home. If you don't pay your car mechanic,you don't get your car back. i
That's a big "if" there, jerseygal. In the meantime, he has actual bills to pay.

Sounds to me like you'd rather he lose his home than go without insurance for a while. What does that say about you?
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Old 08-10-2010, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Earth
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This guy is going to be paying a lot more than $2k on an attorney.
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Old 08-10-2010, 09:41 AM
 
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Its a big if. If he loses his home,well. He should have thought about that before he bought a house. Too many people think of health insurance as just a thing they will need and not an actual. Thing they must have. I wonder if he has car insurance,since its an "if" he gets in a car accident. Or if he has home insurance.
Its clear to me he values his home and /or car more than his health. So as I said,if he gets sick with let's say,a sinus infection, and he can't afford to see a primary care physician, then his next move more than likely will be the ER. Which of course costs money.

I'm starting to believe hospitals should turn the uninsured away. In the example I provided about the car,as I said if you don't pay the machanic,you don't get the car back. But yet you want doctors to treat people for free. Doctors have a hard time getting paid because people feel they are entilted to be treated for free.
Personal responsibilty.
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Old 08-10-2010, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Its a big if. If he loses his home,well. He should have thought about that before he bought a house. Too many people think of health insurance as just a thing they will need and not an actual. Thing they must have. I wonder if he has car insurance,since its an "if" he gets in a car accident. Or if he has home insurance.
Its clear to me he values his home and /or car more than his health. So as I said,if he gets sick with let's say,a sinus infection, and he can't afford to see a primary care physician, then his next move more than likely will be the ER. Which of course costs money.

I'm starting to believe hospitals should turn the uninsured away. In the example I provided about the car,as I said if you don't pay the machanic,you don't get the car back. But yet you want doctors to treat people for free. Doctors have a hard time getting paid because people feel they are entilted to be treated for free.
Personal responsibilty.
I see in your profile that you're an RN. You see the kinds of things you're describing every day, I'm guessing.

Try to climb out of your own personal world for a moment and look at the situation from a perspective other than that of someone that works in your industry.

Not everyone gets into an accident or suffers some other major trauma every day. It's actually quite uncommon. I haven't been to a doctor in years, and the last several times I went, it was for routine preventative care. I have, however, been paying for rent, utilities, food and car payments every month. Those are things that are actually used every month, if not every day. Health care? Nope.

Maybe you didn't read the article, but this guy's in his 20s. He's got a pretty low risk of developing cancer or some other catastrophic illness between now and when he can afford insurance, or until his wife finds a job that provides them both coverage. Did you read the article? Do you actually know what his situation is? Or are you just taking the cynical position of a nurse that sees it every day, and discussing the topic based only on the headline?
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Old 08-10-2010, 10:25 AM
 
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What that man doesn't understand is that if he gets in an accident or suddenly falls ill(like if he has a stroke) and he has no health insurance,who pays for his massive medical bills? In no way can he pay 450,000 out of pocket for a hospital stay of 2 weeks. I find that opponents of the Mass. forced health insurance often neglect that part. Does he know that if he doesn't pay or can't the hospitals have to absorb the bill,the hospital. Would then ask the state for funds to cover the uninsured,and then what? Taxes get raised,or even worse,the hospital closes.

You do not have the freedom to not pay your hospital bills. Or if he is an accident maybe they should send him home. If you don't pay your car mechanic,you don't get your car back. i
How is this any different than individuals who dont go to work, and ask the governmet to pay for their own housing, their own food, and medicaid insurance?
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Old 08-10-2010, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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What that man doesn't understand is that if he gets in an accident or suddenly falls ill(like if he has a stroke) and he has no health insurance,who pays for his massive medical bills? In no way can he pay 450,000 out of pocket for a hospital stay of 2 weeks. I find that opponents of the Mass. forced health insurance often neglect that part. Does he know that if he doesn't pay or can't the hospitals have to absorb the bill,the hospital. Would then ask the state for funds to cover the uninsured,and then what? Taxes get raised,or even worse,the hospital closes.

You do not have the freedom to not pay your hospital bills. Or if he is an accident maybe they should send him home. If you don't pay your car mechanic,you don't get your car back. i
wow your a person trained to save lives but would rather watch him die in front of you in the ER because he is poor even though you could save his life.

what does that say about you?
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Old 08-10-2010, 11:27 AM
 
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