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Old 08-11-2010, 08:19 AM
 
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These blanket statements are without any merit. There are liberals and conservatives across the realm of education, income, careers, and intellect.
Gotta say, I agree..
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Old 08-11-2010, 08:20 AM
 
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As usual, conservatives resort to name calling and a basic misunderstanding of what liberal means. I suppose this is not too surprising when so many conservatives call Obama a Socialist or Marxist.

From the article: Fifth, it is easy to let the government take care of things for you. It is easy to ask the government to provide your housing, health care, education, food, drugs, protection, moral legislation (telling you what is right/wrong), etc.

With this statement, one could argue big business is inherently liberal as they are the largest recipients of welfare in our country.
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Old 08-11-2010, 08:22 AM
 
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As usual, conservatives resort to name calling and a basic misunderstanding of what liberal means.
I don't deny people do this. But all people in all parties do it, even yourself, as I have read in other threads. The pot calling the kettle black eh?
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Old 08-11-2010, 08:32 AM
 
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I don't deny people do this. But all people in all parties do it, even yourself, as I have read in other threads. The pot calling the kettle black eh?
Some might say I am the pot....or perhaps on it.
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Old 08-11-2010, 08:33 AM
 
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"Fourth, some liberals are narcissists, and they assume they are vastly superior in intelligence to the knuckle-dragging-conservative-slack-jawed-yokels, basing all their arguments on morals, God, the evils of capitalism, military might, etc. They believe that the liberal indoctrination their college professors spewed at them is the intelligent, more distinguished, more sophisticated view of the world. So, they go around spouting communist theory, socialist theory, relativism, agnosticism, etc."
Interesting observation. I think we can agree that liberals are likely to be Democrats. As such, note the fact that Democrats skew LEAST educated. Look at the various demographic percentages in the chart at the bottom of the page here:
Democrats Gain Edge in Party Identification - Pew Research Center for the People & the Press
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Old 08-11-2010, 08:42 AM
 
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I think it's interesting to note that Catholics are split. Most Jews I know are Democrat (and I know a lot of Jews). Republicans don't have a monopoly on the religious.
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Old 08-11-2010, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Louisville, Kentucky
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These blanket statements are without any merit. There are liberals and conservatives across the realm of education, income, careers, and intellect.
Exactly.

I was going to agree with you earlier, but I was too lazy. (My guess is that someone on this thread has already used that joke, but I was too lazy to look.)
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Old 08-11-2010, 08:47 AM
 
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These blanket statements are without any merit. There are liberals and conservatives across the realm of education, income, careers, and intellect.
There is always a thread of truth behind blanket statements and stereotypes. So even though you (obviously) disagree with my comment, there is still some validity to what I said.
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Old 08-11-2010, 08:49 AM
 
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There are three varieties of liberals... 1) the "elite" 2) the poor, 3) and the lazy stoner types.

I wouldn't call liberals intelligent. I would call some "well educated" but severely lacking in morals and sensibility, thereby disqualifying them from "intelligent" status.
I wouldn't call liberals or conservatives intelligent. Political classifications are not tied to personal characteristics. Just like some posters on C-D have posited that liberal women are ugly, and conservative women are beautiful. There's no correllation between politics and personal characteristics. I don't think it takes a lot of work to bash people for their politics, as the blogger has done, and as you've done. It's not particularly difficult to criticize other people, and it doesn't take all that much thought.

Whether you adopt a liberal or a conservative perspective, or when you take any position that has political ramifications, the work part is whether you've simply adopted that stance because someone else has told you that it's the right stance to take, or whether you actually thought through the issue and determined a stance on your own. Whether you did research, and read other people's positions, including positions you ended up not favoring. Whether you actually read about the current legislation. Whether you are open to new information about the issue, and the possibility of changing your position as that new information materially changes the situation. That all takes work.

I tend to be socially liberal, very liberal, but financially conservative. And it takes a lot of work, because I live somewhere where social conservatism dominates the landscape, and my ideas are challenged often. I've learned that listening can be hard work, but hard work has its rewards. And I've learned that if you have a good argument, a sound argument, that even people entrenched in their point of view can listen and change.

I've also learned that putting down people for their political orientations is a loser strategy. No one wins when people stop discussing the issues and start insulting each other. It just drives people apart, and one thing our system of government depends upon is the ability of people to work together. If you are driving people apart, then your government cannot function. Society cannot function.

So if you're goal was to bash liberals, mission accomplished. If you're goal was to actually have a conversation, this wasn't the right way to go about it.
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Old 08-11-2010, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Louisville, Kentucky
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Interesting observation. I think we can agree that liberals are likely to be Democrats. As such, note the fact that Democrats skew LEAST educated. Look at the various demographic percentages in the chart at the bottom of the page here:
Democrats Gain Edge in Party Identification - Pew Research Center for the People & the Press
I thought we were talking about liberals, not Democrats. You're pulling a slight-of-hand with that assertion.

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Liberals have the highest education level of any typology group * 49% are college graduates and 26% have some postgraduate education.
Beyond Red vs. Blue: Part 3: Demographics, Lifestyle and News Consumption - Pew Research Center for the People & the Press (http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=945 - broken link)

In fact, it's the conservative Democrats that pull down the overall ranking for Democrats:

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Educational differences between Liberals and Conservative Democrats are nearly as large (49% vs. 16%).
So your assertion that "most Liberals are Democrats and Democrats are the least education, therefore Liberals are the least educated" is totally and completely wrong. Liberals remain at the top of the education rankings. And to do that absolutely refutes any argument that Liberals are lazy, imo. I don't mean to assert that they are the most intellegent, but they are the most educated, which is tough to do if you are lazy as a group.
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