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View Poll Results: What should they do or not do with Our Tax Dollars?
My State should refuse the money 6 42.86%
My tax money should not go to other states to bail them out from their fiscal irresponsiblity 7 50.00%
None of my Tax Dollars for California, Michigan, Illinois, New York....and 4 28.57%
Cut Pay, Pensions and Benefits of ALL Public Workers... NOW! 7 50.00%
All the Above 6 42.86%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 14. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-12-2010, 03:59 AM
 
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When the heck is this ObaMao administration going to stop spending Our money and driving U.S. deeper into debt?

Supposedly this is going to prevent layoffs of Teachers, Firemen and Policemen... it's for Our "safety" and for the "children"... bullfeces!

This is just a payoff to the Unions for their support and votes... and they want to send Blagojovich to jail for doing the same thing!?

For any state accepting this money, this delays that state from making the hard choices of what to do about reigning in the runaway high costs of public employee PAY, PENSIONS and BENEFITS!
The hard choices that Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey is now making to keep his state from facing bankrutcy!
Why is it that we in the private sector have to accept layoffs, bankruptcy, paycuts and higher costs for health care and energy costs while the public employee sector does NOT!?!? Are they the new priviledged elite class?

Supposedly any state that accepts any of this $$26.1 Billion Dollar "payoff" has to agree not to cut any public employees, their pay, or their benefits!!! WTF!!!

Hey, we're in a Recession/Depression, Our Country is going bankrupt, and the Public Employees are exempt from ANY hardship... how sweet for them!
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Old 08-12-2010, 04:08 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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When the heck is this ObaMao administration going to stop spending Our money and driving U.S. deeper into debt?

Supposedly this is going to prevent layoffs of Teachers, Firemen and Policemen... it's for Our "safety" and for the "children"... bullfeces!

This is just a payoff to the Unions for their support and votes... and they want to send Blagojovich to jail for doing the same thing!?

For any state accepting this money, this delays that state from making the hard choices of what to do about reigning in the runaway high costs of public employee PAY, PENSIONS and BENEFITS!
The hard choices that Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey is now making to keep his state from facing bankrutcy!
Why is it that we in the private sector have to accept layoffs, bankruptcy, paycuts and higher costs for health care and energy costs while the public employee sector does NOT!?!? Are they the new priviledged elite class?

Supposedly any state that accepts any of this $$26.1 Billion Dollar "payoff" has to agree not to cut any public employees, their pay, or their benefits!!! WTF!!!

Hey, we're in a Recession/Depression, Our Country is going bankrupt, and the Public Employees are exempt from ANY hardship... how sweet for them!
Not to mention, it reduces the deficit. How disgusting!
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Old 08-12-2010, 06:34 AM
 
Location: South Fla
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Wasnt the stimulus suppose to keep them from being laid off? Isnt there money still not used from the stimulus? Why do we need to spend extra money?

States should say no because it requires them to spend extra money they already dont have and cut wasteful spending on Bs
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Old 08-12-2010, 06:38 AM
 
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Not to mention, it reduces the deficit. How disgusting!
Oooh this should be funny... How does spending more money, reduce the deficit?
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Old 08-12-2010, 06:47 AM
 
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When the heck is this ObaMao administration going to stop spending Our money and driving U.S. deeper into debt?
Probably, hopefully, whenever private lending grows, increases the velocity of money, giving us some kind of sustainable inflation.

A common opinion is that right now, if the gov't were to "stop spending our money", then the private sector would totally collapse under the weight of the debt it created for itself.

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Supposedly this is going to prevent layoffs of Teachers, Firemen and Policemen... it's for Our "safety" and for the "children"... bullfeces!

This is just a payoff to the Unions for their support and votes... and they want to send Blagojovich to jail for doing the same thing!?
Yeah, unfortunately it probably is. However I was under the impression that these funds were being distributed across states, many of which are right-to-work states.

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For any state accepting this money, this delays that state from making the hard choices of what to do about reigning in the runaway high costs of public employee PAY, PENSIONS and BENEFITS!
The hard choices that Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey is now making to keep his state from facing bankrutcy!
i agree, that is a problem.

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Why is it that we in the private sector have to accept layoffs, bankruptcy, paycuts and higher costs for health care and energy costs while the public employee sector does NOT!?!? Are they the new priviledged elite class?
it has historically been the case, that government workers pay lag behind the private sector during boom times, and pull ahead of the private sector during recessions. right now, i don't care what anybody says, we are in a severe recession with no end in sight.

in any case, the public sector is taking a beating. a lot of state and local workers are being laid off and taking furloughs. Many state and local workers are having pay frozen, while shouldering a bigger burden of health care costs. It isn't fair to say that public workers are "priviledged," just that they enjoy better job security.. and job security comes at a premium during recessions.

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Hey, we're in a Recession/Depression, Our Country is going bankrupt, and the Public Employees are exempt from ANY hardship... how sweet for them!
our country is not going bankrupt.

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Old 08-12-2010, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Oooh this should be funny... How does spending more money, reduce the deficit?
It's simple Krugmanomics. Only the intellectually inferior don't get it.
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Old 08-12-2010, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Oooh this should be funny... How does spending more money, reduce the deficit?

The CBO analysis indicated it would reduce deficit by $1.4 billion over the next decade. But, can you trust that Pinko Commie group, the CBO?
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Old 08-12-2010, 07:17 AM
 
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it is a typical frankenstein of a bill.

cuts defense spending by $3.3 billion
makes a change to corporate tax structure, effectively raising corporate taxes $1 billion per year.


all done in a way that makes it appear to be, "A health and education jobs bill that reduces the deficit." you know, like magic.
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Old 08-12-2010, 07:21 AM
 
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The Obama policies are falling apart and they are throwing money at every group to try to keep civil unrest from occuring. Housing crisis is deepening with another 300K forclosures in July. Thousands suffer in the heat trying to get onto waitlist for public housing in Atlanta. No one is buying debt except the Fed. Now residents of states are being forced to bail-out the pensions of employees of other states. Pretty soon we'll be bailing out the states in entirety.

Redistribution of wealth = trickle up poverty
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Old 08-12-2010, 07:25 AM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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Why do we still have a Drug War, if we can't afford to pay for social services that provide for the general welfare?

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Costs to taxpayers

A 2008 study by Harvard economist Jeffrey A. Miron has estimated that legalizing drugs would inject $76.8 billion a year into the U.S. economy — $44.1 billion from law enforcement savings, and at least $32.7 billion in tax revenue ($6.7 billion from marijuana, $22.5 billion from cocaine and heroin, remainder from other drugs).[47][48] Recent surveys help to confirm the consensus among economists to reform drug policy in the direction of decriminalization and legalization.[49]

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_...s_to_taxpayers
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