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Yet Timothy McVeigh had no problem with that. how quickly you forget.
And Waco
And Ruby Ridge
McVeigh did not do what he did in the name of Jesus Christ.
Our own federal government slaughtered women and children as well as many innocent men in Waco and Ruby Ridge by unconstitutional actions. Those people were not a threat to anyone but themselves. The only reason that they had weapons was to protect themselves from the feds.
Learn you history. There is zero comparison between radical islam and anything else on the planet.
Yup. Just read about the history of all the major religions of the world. Islam has killed more people than any other religion in human history. Also, they killed so many Christians and Jews in Jerusalum in the Middle Ages. The Crusades were in response to these killings.
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Originally Posted by actonbell
Why is it that more people do not see the battles, wars crusades that way, as they were done in defense of an attack from the other party?
To hear them tell it, the Christians started it.
Actually, this is not true.
The first crusade (1096-1099) started after Alexios I Komnenos of the Byzantine Empire asked the Pope for small mercenary troops in help of his planned war against the Seljuk Turks, that threatened the dominion of the Byzantine Empire in Anatolia.
Pope Urban II. called for a council in Clermont to discuss this topic with his Bishops, and from this council on, a holy war to "liberate" Jerusalem (which wasn't the original goal for Alexios at all) was conceived.
Christians and Jews in Jerusalem were neither oppressed nor hunted down during that time or for a good hundred years before that.
The story of bloodthirsty Muslims killing and torturing Jews and Christias were a propagandistic and legal ploy by Urban to justify a crusade, as only a defensive war was allowed by christian doctrine (bellum iustum).
For Europe and the Byzantine Empire, the first crusade mostly had negative implications, as the crusading armies travelled pillaging through Europe (they had to sustain themselves on the way), and sacked Byzantium.
To conclude: the first Crusade was not a defensive war, but justified as such to get it going. The origianl intentions were help for a secular war in Anatolia (Byzantium vs. Seljuks). This cause took on a mind of its own, and resulted in the capture of Jerusalem and the subjugation of its muslim population.
Last I looked, America is a nation of many cultures and beliefs and we are free to do what we want, within the law.. What do Muslim followers have to assimilate to? What laws are they breaking?
If you don't like islam THEN don't freaking follow it.
Create your own religion if you don't like the other religions and what they have to offer. It worked for Scientology.
Your education is shown by the hate filled bigotry and ignorance about a religion through which you and the hypocrites in this and every thread about Muslims and the Islamic religion have demonstrated
If you don't want your education to be ridiculed, then show that you've learned something because nothing in your post is reflective of the Islamic beliefs of the many millions of followers in this world
YOU and your ilk, malign their religion by the act of a SMALL FEW.
Est. population of Iran as of 2008: 74,196,000.
Est. population of Saudia Arabia as of 2008: 27,149,000
Est. population of Egypt as of 2008: 78,737,000
Est. population of Pakistan as of 2008: 170,268,000
(source: http://www.un.org/esa/population/pub...ext_tables.pdf)
So about 350 million people are a "SMALL FEW"? All of the above countries are Islamic republics that harshly enforce Sharia law on its people. So non-Muslims (Especially Jews, Christians, Atheists, & others), women, homosexuals, & political dissidents are all dealt with and punished severely. The people from these countries are taking their barbarism into civilized countries such as Britain, Sweden, United States, Canada, & many other Western nations where we believe in freedom and are attempting to make those countries just like theirs. Tolerance of that is not a good thing. It is just like having "tolerance" for Nazis.
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As I've asked repeated throughout these threads, how would you like it if your religion was characterized by the act of the your radical and extremists followers?
NOne of you have even attempted to answer that question because it sHOWS greatly how much of a hypocrite you are.
Are those 350 million people "radical and extremist followers"? Because they are in the crowds cheering & chanting as the homosexuals are hung by the noose, or the woman is flogged for not wearing proper Hijaab. They are the ones flooding the town square, parading around with guns held high chanting "ALLAHU AKBAR".
The worst Christian sect in the US- Westboro Baptist- has never killed anybody. Not even close.
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I'm glad I'm not a hate filled bigot who maligns a religion. It must make you feel REAL special to do so.
There is a reason why I'm not a religious follower. Because the bigotry that breeds is embarrassment.
^ I'd like to see you try to say you aren't religious in Egypt, or that you aren't a follower of Allah. Go ahead. See what happens.
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Originally Posted by zuendel
Actually, this is not true.
The first crusade (1096-1099) started after Alexios I Komnenos of the Byzantine Empire asked the Pope for small mercenary troops in help of his planned war against the Seljuk Turks, that threatened the dominion of the Byzantine Empire in Anatolia.
Pope Urban II. called for a council in Clermont to discuss this topic with his Bishops, and from this council on, a holy war to "liberate" Jerusalem (which wasn't the original goal for Alexios at all) was conceived.
Christians and Jews in Jerusalem were neither oppressed nor hunted down during that time or for a good hundred years before that.
The story of bloodthirsty Muslims killing and torturing Jews and Christias were a propagandistic and legal ploy by Urban to justify a crusade, as only a defensive war was allowed by christian doctrine (bellum iustum).
For Europe and the Byzantine Empire, the first crusade mostly had negative implications, as the crusading armies travelled pillaging through Europe (they had to sustain themselves on the way), and sacked Byzantium.
To conclude: the first Crusade was not a defensive war, but justified as such to get it going. The origianl intentions were help for a secular war in Anatolia (Byzantium vs. Seljuks). This cause took on a mind of its own, and resulted in the capture of Jerusalem and the subjugation of its muslim population.
The Seljuk Muslims expelled Christians from Jerusalem in 1056 forbid European Christians from entering the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, they blocked pilgrimages, crushed the Byzantines in Manzikert in 1071 and took the Emperor Romanus IV Diogenes prisoner, conquered Syria in 1076, Jerusalem in 1077 and murdered 3,000 people there. They established the Sultinate in Nicea and continually threatened the Byzantines. It was only after Emperor Alexis I Comnenus appealed for help that the first Crusade was called. Pope Urban did not BS or make up Muslim threats and crimes they were real from the time of Mohammed and history has proven those fears justified.
I posted this link on another thread but this is a must watch.
The bigger questions are.....Why is there no outrage from the Gay/Lesbian community and Womens groups over Islamic beliefs (Shar'ia law)?
Christians may be opposed to gay marriage but Islam says you should be executed.
Under Shar'ia law women can be beaten by there husbands yet you rarely hear a peep out of womens groups...why?
Is political correctness gone crazy in this country? or are people so blinded?
What is it.....
ALL religions LIE and can be taken to extremes. Christians once burned women alive because they thought they were witches. That is why it is important to maintain a big wall between church and state.
I posted this link on another thread but this is a must watch.
The bigger questions are.....Why is there no outrage from the Gay/Lesbian community and Womens groups over Islamic beliefs (Shar'ia law)?
Christians may be opposed to gay marriage but Islam says you should be executed.
Under Shar'ia law women can be beaten by there husbands yet you rarely hear a peep out of womens groups...why?
Is political correctness gone crazy in this country? or are people so blinded?
What is it.....
see post 2 and SU.
and two womens groups in the US has no pull on what goes on in countries abroad so thats a fail on you
The Seljuk Muslims expelled Christians from Jerusalem in 1056 forbid European Christians from entering the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, they blocked pilgrimages, crushed the Byzantines in Manzikert in 1071 and took the Emperor Romanus IV Diogenes prisoner, conquered Syria in 1076, Jerusalem in 1077 and murdered 3,000 people there. They established the Sultinate in Nicea and continually threatened the Byzantines. It was only after Emperor Alexis I Comnenus appealed for help that the first Crusade was called. Pope Urban did not BS or make up Muslim threats and crimes they were real from the time of Mohammed and history has proven those fears justified.
Good to see there are so many begining to wake up to Islam. People from Israel and India have been trying to tell people this for a long time.
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