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Old 08-17-2010, 02:42 PM
 
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You're not talking about destroying America. You're talking about changing America. And you're ignoring that America, like every nation in the world, has been in a constant state of change since its inception. We transitioned from being a rural, agrarian nation to being urban and industrialized. We transitioned from being a nation that espoused equality for all, but only let men with property and money to vote and influence our government into a nation where we became much closer to achieving that universal equality.

Instead of using overblown rhetoric, like "destroying America" to whip up support among other people who don't like change, why not tell us about the changes you don't like? Some of that support will probably fall away, when you focus on specific changes. Don't want women in the work place? I don't think all those Sarah Palin supporters can back you on that one. Want religion to dictate laws? There go those libertarians.

America isn't being destroyed. It isn't perfect, it's got lots of problems. It's got lots of people. And the people disagree on what the problems are, and how to deal with the problems. And that disagreement is ultimately what defines us as a country. It defined us in 1789 when people argued about how strong the federal government should be, and how strong the states should be. It defined us in 1789 when people argued over what rights blacks should have, and what rights they shouldn't have. It defined us in the political squabbles between Jefferson and Adams and Hamilton and Burr and Madison and Jackson. It defined us when women marched for the right to vote.

There are always going to be some people who are unhappy with the way things are going, with some aspect of the government, with our leaders, with our laws. That's the nature of being human. But the measures that were put into effect by our Founding Fathers, to have a government that represented the people and yet still protected the individual, are alive and well. In some ways, some of these measures are thriving. The internet has provided an entire new and unbelievably large venue for freedom of speech. America isn't being destroyed. It's just changing. And that's what it should be doing. A stagnant nation is one that rots from within.
Change is not always good. For every "good" change you can come up with, I can come up with a "bad" change the illustrates the terrible path this nation is on. While civil rights are important, they're not the absolute tenet that keeps this nation on the right path. In fact, this nation's obsession with entitlement has wholly and completely turned the focus away from fiscal sanity. We don't like anyone's feelings to get hurt. We believe that everyone is the same and deserves what the other person has. And it's bankrupting us. Without fiscal sanity, this nation flounders. So while you're singing kumbayah over there about "change," I hope you're just as prepared to acknowledge that this nation is not the nation that you think it is anymore. It's on the greased path to faded glory.

It's your turn to tell me why I'm wrong.
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Old 08-17-2010, 02:46 PM
 
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You broke the code. This is precisely what is happening. A docile, uneducated, dumbed down population is easy to control. A smart, highly educated population doesn't like being robbed blind and will protest, which makes them undesirable.

This is why, in spite of the piles of money spent, our level of education has dramatically declined in relation to other industrialized countries.

This is why fluoride is put in the water ... it's not for your teeth .. it's for your brain.
Never mind that, Gen. Ripper.

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Old 08-17-2010, 03:17 PM
 
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Change is not always good. For every "good" change you can come up with, I can come up with a "bad" change the illustrates the terrible path this nation is on. While civil rights are important, they're not the absolute tenet that keeps this nation on the right path. In fact, this nation's obsession with entitlement has wholly and completely turned the focus away from fiscal sanity. We don't like anyone's feelings to get hurt. We believe that everyone is the same and deserves what the other person has. And it's bankrupting us. Without fiscal sanity, this nation flounders. So while you're singing kumbayah over there about "change," I hope you're just as prepared to acknowledge that this nation is not the nation that you think it is anymore. It's on the greased path to faded glory.

It's your turn to tell me why I'm wrong.
Evidently you confuse an aspiration to equal rights with an obsession for entitlement.

No one thinks that the spending practices of the American government or of most American individuals are sane or wise. The national debt is a scandal. Personal debt amongst most Americans is scandalous as well. Find me anyone who doesn't think this.

We don't like people's feelings to get hurt. Are we supposed to like hurting people? I mean, obviously on this forum, insulting and demeaning is developing into an art form, and I don't except myself from this, I often go back and cringe at some of the things I've written. But trying not to hurt people is a good thing. Respecting people is a good thing. It doesn't meant dishonesty.

I don't think anyone believes that everyone is the same, or that we are all equal. We all have gifts. Different gifts. And we should all have the opportunity to develop our gifts. That I do believe. I think that we should all treat one another with respect. Every person merits my respect. The garbageman is doing a difficult job, I respect that. The police officer is asked to put himself at risk, as is the firefighter. I respect that. Every person is a person, and merits respect. Not everyone is a genius or an Olympian athlete. But everyone deserves to be treated with respect. I think that's what equality is. Respect and opportunity.

It certainly doesn't mean that everyone deserves what everyone else has. I don't know where you get that. Some people are just lucky. Some people are just deserving. And some people are not very scrupulous. But there will always be haves and have-nots, in any society. Stacking the deck isn't a very good way to spread opportunity, though.

But this nation is the nation I think it is. It's full of people who work hard and play hard. People who laugh out loud at the things they find funny. People who look around them and see an amazing world. A world of unspeakable beauty. A world where tragedy is often met with an indominatable human spirit. I'm not singing Kumbayah over every change that happens. As you say, some changes are better than others. But I'm not whining about change destroying America, either. Change is inexorable. America will change. There is no going back to 1955. And I'm sorry, but that's not a time I even want to go back to. I'm looking forward to the future, and I'm speaking out now about what kind of future I hope we have. Do I want an America of prosperity? Of course. Do I want an America dominated by bigots and racists and sexists? Um, no, not on your life.
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Old 11-27-2010, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Way,Way Up On The Old East Coast
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Good responses..

The OP makes a good point. The America before the PC era and all this massive recent immigration would have never let us get where we are today....on this steep downward slope as carefully controlled corporate slaves with an ever declining standard of living ahead.
CrownVic95 !!! ... Precisely Right !

Indeed ... The "Greatest Generation" would have never allowed the gross ineptitude and the acute decadence, of the pathetic PC America Hating Morons to have crawled out from under their slimy rocks period !!!

I'll wager that all those "Patriotic American Blokes" will soon return this miserable PC liberal rabble to their rightful places ..... under those slimy rocks for the long term !!!

Thanks Y"ALL / Old Sgt.Lamar
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Old 11-27-2010, 12:13 PM
 
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I was thinking about this and I think I know why our leaders want to destroy our nation for past 50 years . So they can control us .

What better way to take down a nation than to fill it up with those who are use to being controlled by dictators and cult leaders ?

They will bow down and submit like they have done for milliniums . Either through religian or through fear . Americans are begining to act like them ,they are losing their liberty and way of life and will soon be residents of a third world nation .

It's called " spreading the wealth , multiculturilism ,diversity, humanism but the real word is communism,socialism, ethinic cleansing and slavery ..

The only immigrants who come to America who are use to freedom are europeans [ any they have stopped coming ] ALL the others are under some form of bondage . All are poor and many don't even have basic education . Even when they recieve education most use it to bring down instead of lift up .
Yep. That's what they have in mind, they want the entire planet to be a third world he77 hole like zimbabwe, except in their gated communities of course.
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Old 11-27-2010, 12:25 PM
 
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Half the battle is that we are onto them. The rest of the battle is to get rid of them once and for all.
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Old 11-27-2010, 02:13 PM
 
Location: California
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I think it's funny that people blame politicians for something that was inevitable since the day the country was founded. You really didn't think you'd get to wave your foam finger that says #1 forever did you?
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Old 11-27-2010, 02:32 PM
 
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I think it's funny that people blame politicians for something that was inevitable since the day the country was founded. You really didn't think you'd get to wave your foam finger that says #1 forever did you?
Inevitable? Nihilism? Who really is giving the finger I wonder....
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Old 11-27-2010, 03:06 PM
 
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CrownVic95 !!! ... Precisely Right !

Indeed ... The "Greatest Generation" would have never allowed the gross ineptitude and the acute decadence, of the pathetic PC America Hating Morons to have crawled out from under their slimy rocks period !!!

I'll wager that all those "Patriotic American Blokes" will soon return this miserable PC liberal rabble to their rightful places ..... under those slimy rocks for the long term !!!

Thanks Y"ALL / Old Sgt.Lamar
So by PC you mean that the Civil Rights Movement should never have happened and we could be the only country in the world with apartheid?
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Old 11-27-2010, 03:15 PM
 
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I don't think so.
The parents of many of my friends spoke their native language only until they died. And these were European immigrants.
As you age, it's more difficult to learn languages.

Why don't all military members in other countries learn the local language?

I guess one important difference is that military people aren't going to other countries taking jobs and demanding entitlements meant for that country. They also don't go there to have children to claim citizenship in a foreign land.
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