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View Poll Results: What political philosophy/affiliation are you (if any)?
Republican conservative (social and/or fiscal). 16 28.57%
Republican "Hybrid" (fiscally conservative, social liberal). 9 16.07%
Democrat liberal/quasi-Socialists (fiscal and social). 7 12.50%
Democrat "Hybrid" (fiscally liberal and social conservative). 1 1.79%
Libertarian (Ron Paul kind, not Nader kind). 6 10.71%
Libertarian (Nader kind, not Ron Paul kind). 2 3.57%
Independent - can swing Democrat or Republican. 12 21.43%
Anti-American all the way (ie. Communist party of America). 1 1.79%
I am not an American or I am a foreign national. 1 1.79%
Don't know... still learning, not registered yet to vote. 1 1.79%
Voters: 56. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-26-2007, 02:31 PM
 
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Neocon speak?

Like "undocumented immigrant" instead of "illegal alien"

Bank robber = makes an "unauthorized withdrawal"
House robber = "uninvited visitor"
Abortion = "right-to-choose"

Liberals invented politically correct double-speak
And conservatives haven't followed suit and joined them down the same path to hell? You have no proof of your claim, but it's clear since you're from Colorado Springs, you slant in one very obvious direction.

And as always, the liberals are blamed yet again. I'm not standing up for anyone here as I don't identify with either side consistently enough. I'm just pointing out that these kinds of 'arguments' are pointless and more importantly, show the level of discourse in this country. We can no longer argue anything. We slander, we accuse, we blame...and we never solve.

Sigh.
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Old 06-26-2007, 02:33 PM
 
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I'm not a Christian but, according to the Bible, Jesus was speaking of privately providing for the poor. He wasn't advocating using the government to forcefully take from others to give to whom you consider "the poor", which you seem to be advocating.
While the point may be debatable, Jesus wasn't any too specific as to means that were acceptable and unacceptable when it came to caring for the least of these. He was just pretty plain about the fact that it better be done. So if you want to to stick with private, come up with a plan that gets it done that way. 1,000 Points of Light weren't enough...how many do you think you have out there...
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Old 06-26-2007, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs USA
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And conservatives haven't followed suit and joined them down the same path to hell? You have no proof of your claim, but it's clear since you're from Colorado Springs, you slant in one very obvious direction.

And as always, the liberals are blamed yet again. I'm not standing up for anyone here as I don't identify with either side consistently enough. I'm just pointing out that these kinds of 'arguments' are pointless and more importantly, show the level of discourse in this country. We can no longer argue anything. We slander, we accuse, we blame...and we never solve.

Sigh.
Yeah, no stereotypes here. What a hypocrite.
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Old 06-26-2007, 02:55 PM
 
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Both good points, we know it is not out of ignorance that they always seem to breeze over the fact that private enterprise always does a better job than the federal government, and many of us prefer to support those that are more efficient and effective at delivering the given service while actually getting more out of each dollar. In christian circles we call that being good stewards of our money.
In economic circles, we call that shooting yourself in the foot. There are myriad public goods and services that the private sector simply cannot provide in any effective or efficient manner at all. Religion might itself be one of those in that it gets by only as one of the most heavily subsidized industries in America. You are fortunate that not everyone lives in the same world of illusion that you seem to...
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Old 06-26-2007, 03:13 PM
 
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Yeah, no stereotypes here. What a hypocrite.
Well, everything I've encountered with COS has been very conservative and your post is definitely on the conservative side. I just put 2 and 2 together. If I'm wrong, then... but am I? And if I am right, you just proved my point by labeling me a hypocrite.
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Old 06-26-2007, 03:23 PM
 
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Neocon speak?
Like "undocumented immigrant" instead of "illegal alien"
These are not equivalent sets. Undocumented is different from illegal, and immigrant is different from alien.

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Bank robber = makes an "unauthorized withdrawal"
House robber = "uninvited visitor"
Yeah, you actually hear these, do you?

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Abortion = "right-to-choose"
An abortion is an abortion. It's a medical procedure. The right to choose is not a medical procedure.

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Liberals invented politically correct double-speak
Not likely, and not likely that neocons did either. The latter simply rely upon it to unprecedented degrees in seeking to sell what they are afraid people will otherwise not buy. It's all part of their Culture of Deceit...
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Old 06-26-2007, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Ha! I won't have to. They already know what you wish to deny. A zygote results from the process of fertilization. A baby results from the process of childbirth. A corpse results from the process of death. Unborn baby is a self-referential contradiction in terms coined by those who know they will lose the argument on fact and hope instead to win it on emotion. Someone mentioned Frank Luntz earlier, and this is a blatant Luntzianism from the get go. There is a term for what you mean to refer to. Here it is...FETUS. Simple word. Sound it out phonetically. You'll get the hang of it pretty quickly.

Otherwise, you'll be stuck in world where unfertilized zygotes become unborn babies and (with luck) ultimately turn into undead corpses, whom I suppose you might then shelter in tracts of unbuilt houses and nourish at first with unlactated milk and later with the milled products of certain unsown cereal crops.

Welcome to the world of neocon newspeak where any and every oxymoron is welcome...
Try to read it S...L...O...W...L...Y this time.

Then you might want to complain to the Center for Disease Control,American Medical Association and the American heart association too because of their "neocon newspeak" .

Possible Health Effects of Radiation Exposure on Unborn Babies

With recent discussion about the possibility of a terrorist attack involving radioactive materials, some people may be concerned about radiation exposure to unborn babies. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has prepared this fact sheet to help you understand the possible health effects to your unborn baby from exposure to radiation.

CDC Radiation Emergencies | Possible Health Effects of Radiation Exposure on Unborn Babies

Avoid foodborne illness

The US food supply is among the safest in the world, but organisms that you can’t see, smell, or taste - bacteria, viruses and tiny parasites - are everywhere in the environment. These microorganisms - called pathogens - can invade food and cause illness, sometimes severe and even life-threatening illness, especially in young children, older adults, and persons with weakened immune systems. In pregnant women, foodborne illness can endanger their unborn babies.

AMA (Infectious Disease) Fight BAC! (http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/category/13769.html - broken link)

This is a test using sound waves (ultrasound) to show the structure of an unborn baby's heart. An obstetrician may get a limited view of a baby's heart during a routine pregnancy ultrasound. However, a specialist in fetal echocardiography can study a baby's heart in great detail using a fetal echocardiogram.
Fetal Echocardiography (http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4686 - broken link)

I'm sorry if I embarrassed you but some of the off the wall things that you write almost make me think you are a troll just trying to stir things up.

I feel bad for you either way so I will not bring anymore attention to your strange take on the world. I wish you the best now go in peace.
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Old 06-26-2007, 07:59 PM
 
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I'm sorry if I embarrassed you but some of the off the wall things that you write almost make me think you are a troll just trying to stir things up. I feel bad for you either way so I will not bring anymore attention to your strange take on the world. I wish you the best now go in peace.
To quote Foghorn Leghorn, Yer too short, boy! The good ones are going right over yer head! But since you seem either unable or unwilling to address the ignore-this-sign self-contradiction inherent in unborn baby, see if you can find a credible scientific source that mentions perpetual motion machines or telekinesis. Those don't exist either. And the fact that the words are in either the vernacular or the scientific literature does not alter the matter...
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Old 06-26-2007, 08:25 PM
 
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I accidently voted Republican hybrid, but I meant to put independent. I honestly swing either way on social issues. For example, these ILLEGALS need to be sent the hell home, they are a waste of tax money and space in our country. If we really need thier cheap labor, could we at least have a REAL guest worker program, and then they go home when thier done working? On the other hand, I could care less about gay marrige. Fiscally though, I remain very conservative. Efficiency is key to good government, and that is where todays republicans dissapoint me. Actually, they all suck, I am waiting for REAL options. I think Mitt Romney looks pretty promising for 2008, though!
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Old 06-27-2007, 05:19 AM
 
Location: Holly Springs, NC USA
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There is no such thing as an unborn baby.
This may be one of the ignorant things I have ever read in my life. Take an anatomy class.

So you mean to tell me the day before either of my sons was born, they weren't unborn babies? They were perfectly healthy and could have been born at that moment. So how were they not unborn babies?

Liberal whackos and moonbats - fun to laugh at but painful to hear or read.
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