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Old 08-16-2010, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Ah! That is what was so amazing (back then, $2,000,000 was considered a pretty good piece of change).

Even those who disliked President Reagan's politics thought him a pretty honest person. Hence, the shock that he accepted such a high fee to travel to Japan and make a speech.

Now, was the fee in fact a 'pay back' for raising, tremendously, the number of Japanese cars that came into this country during his term? There is a subject for opinion.

My opinion is: perhaps, from the Japanese perspective. But, was there a 'prior arrangement?' (i.e., word passed to Reagan: lower the tariffs on cars, raise the number of cars that can be imported and we will pay you well after you leave office).

I believe 'no'. I think that if President Reagan had been approached like that, he would have spurred the offer. He was, I think, acting on his sincerely held beliefs about open markets, which just happened to benefit the Japanese and steel industry (yes, the high tariff on steel was also lowered, leading to a dumping of Japanese steel on the US market; no link, just ask any steelworker from Pittsburgh etc). Hence to show their gratitude they offered him this very high speaking fee for a very short speech (one twenty minute speech, plus a couple of 'here I am' appearances). Recall, in Japan such 'fees' are normal business practice (actually, graft and bribery is normal).

I recall that many people thought that President Reagan was naive in thinking that he was not being paid, retroactively, for his actions that so benefited the Japanese auto and steel industry. However, I think he truly thought he was earning his money by his travel and speaking. Then again, I always look for the best in people and hate to think the worst.

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Old 08-17-2010, 07:23 AM
 
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I guess all the posts lately about Palin and Limbaugh and now old dead presidents is just the repugs way of saying "We haven't got any real Repug leaders or good political candidates to talk about"
The Republican party was hijacked by the religous right neocons who advocate nation building, the Patriot Act, censorship, pandering to wall st., incredible deficits etc... There is nothing conservative about the Republican party anymore.
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Old 08-17-2010, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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So says the man who tripled the debt, doubled the number of federal offices, and made nationalized healthcare without paying for it.

Yeah, real conservative there.

Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Even Reagan Wasn't a Reagan Republican - Newsweek

Do you right wing guys all go to the same websites or something. Someone posted the exact same thing yesterday, and I shot that full of holes then too.
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Old 08-17-2010, 08:54 AM
 
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Do you right wing guys all go to the same websites or something. Someone posted the exact same thing yesterday, and I shot that full of holes then too.
yeah, daily kos and huff post, msnbc.......................

You didn't shoot anything full of holes, you displayed your ignorance of history and how government actually works.
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Old 08-17-2010, 08:55 AM
 
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But wait!

Ronnie turned 'That far distant capital' into his private corporate fantasy island!

At least he was the compensated spokesperson for the group that did.

And now some 20 or so years on, see what it's done.
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Old 08-17-2010, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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yeah, daily kos and huff post, msnbc.......................

You didn't shoot anything full of holes, you displayed your ignorance of history and how government actually works.
The only show I watch on MSNBC is headed by a former Republican congressman who was called to conservative by many while in the house.

The others, I don't.

You can make statements with no facts, see, I posted facts.
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Old 08-17-2010, 08:57 AM
 
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If Reagan ran his platform back in the day like the Republicans are now, he'd be just another Hollywood actor who was once a governor.
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Old 08-17-2010, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Arizona High Desert
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Ronald was correct. Liberals didn't speak for him. He bunged up all on his own.
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Old 08-17-2010, 10:28 AM
 
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"The problem with liberals is not that they are ignorant, it is that they know so much that isn't so"

Truer words were never spoken.
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Old 08-17-2010, 10:35 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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"The problem with liberals is not that they are ignorant, it is that they know so much that isn't so"

Truer words were never spoken.
Of course they were, when Reagan, as the head of the government stated "Government is the problem"

Absolutely correct during his tenure.
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