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Old 08-17-2010, 02:07 AM
 
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Before the year 2005, we were present in Lebanon according to an Arab decision, and the Syrian forces managed to set up a political system (for Lebanon) and to build the state and the Lebanese army. Despite all these considerations, the Syrian army pulled out from Lebanon, but now, as you can deduce from the news: Syria has returned to Lebanon stronger than before, because the facts unfolded before the Lebanese people and it has started to recognize the aspects of the conspiracy that was being plotted against it in this regard," Otari added.

Otari: Syria Has Returned to Lebanon Stronger Than Before, Conflict with Israel Will Always Exist - Naharnet Newsdesk

Spoken by someone who is going to fly off in a jet and never have to deal with repercussions that the rest of everybody else does.
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Old 08-17-2010, 03:02 AM
 
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Spoken by someone who is going to fly off in a jet and never have to deal with repercussions that the rest of everybody else does.
Isn't that the case in 99% of wars?
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Old 08-17-2010, 10:08 AM
 
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Yep, gone are the days of leaders out in the middle of a big old war.

But, you can almost hear the muhahahaha in the background with Otari. It's just greasy.
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Old 09-13-2010, 09:18 PM
 
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Thats why Syria is an equal opportunity instigator. They supply support to Shiite Hezbollah and to Sunni Al-Ahbash just in case.
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Old 09-14-2010, 07:41 AM
 
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It's obvious that Syria and Hezbollah control Lebanonon and its government. Yet the Obama administration and the mainstream media often refer to the government as "pro-Western". Why?
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Old 09-14-2010, 09:25 AM
 
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Because left to their own devices they are Pro-Western. Lebanon is very unique. They are one of those countries where much of the people do not want to be ruled by religion at all. They have feminism, they have much of free speech, they are huge on maintaining the rights they have and expanding them. They even have freakin' radio song wars. They have protests. They also have these Palestinians that they don't want and can't seem to get rid of. They will never forgive nor forget the numerous times that the gangbangers start crap with Israel, intentionally to be martyrs, and they get pummelled. And to absorb them will literally tip the delicate religious balance.

Well, the LAF is demanding Hezbullah to stand down and they won't. The LAF has had one hell of a struggle, and still is struggling in some ways, to prove that they are top dog and especially to the people. Syria is on the border, they had ties that were broken when Hariri's son accused Syria of his father's assassination. Lebanon can't exactly go to war with Syria, whose primary interest is the Golan. This is why they (Syria) back Hezbullah. Lebanon cannot go to war with Israel and they cannot control the Palestinian gangbangers. Not all of the Palestinians there are as such, they just happen to be caught in the middle. They also do not want another civil war.

So, the US said no, they weren't going to give the military aid to Lebanon. Hezbullah said, I can get you what you need lets talk to Iran. And they did. And Iran said, I got your back. Well, this puts the US in a bind as it does Lebanon. If Lebanon gets its stuff from Iran, this strengthens the ties and empowers Hezbullah (w/o saying Syria as well as France and Russia). Hezbullah does the feel good dance and it will be impossible to control them. France is still selling military equipment to Lebanon in the background here and is also very friendly with Syria.

Again, left to their own devices they are Pro-Western. They are also smack dab in the middle of Lot o' shyte. The WH is now saying that they don't view military aid to Lebanon as a threat to Israel and is trying to open up communication with Syria. And, it may be the only way for Lebanon to achieve control of its little ol' nation-state and put that little line in the sand with Syria and spank Hezbullah.

I wouldn't trust mainstream media. Read the papers in the ME first.
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Old 09-14-2010, 10:26 AM
 
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"spank Hezbullah"??????
No way. In 2008, the majority in the government attempted to exert the government's right and duty to enforce Lebanese law, against Hezbollah's will. What happened? Hezbollah sent its goons out and took over Beirut, murdering dozens. The government immediately caved to their will! The word is out that the UN will name Hezbollah as the culprit behind the Hariri assasination. The government will try to quash it in fear of Hezbollah's reaction. Pitiful.

The LAF is a joke. It absolutely can never be ordered to take action against Hezbollah. A large part of it is Shiite supporters of Hezbollah. The army would break up. The US and French arms going to the LAF will end up either going to Hezbollah or being used by the LAF against Israel. Never against Hezbollah. Those arms shipments should stop. Let Iran supply the arms. It makes no difference.

The whole country would be a joke if it weren't for the tragic consequences that its use as a base for an Iranian proxy army has brought and will bring in the future. The future holds a great catastrophy.
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Old 09-14-2010, 12:15 PM
 
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"spank Hezbullah"??????
No way. In 2008, the majority in the government attempted to exert the government's right and duty to enforce Lebanese law, against Hezbollah's will. What happened? Hezbollah sent its goons out and took over Beirut, murdering dozens. The government immediately caved to their will! The word is out that the UN will name Hezbollah as the culprit behind the Hariri assasination. The government will try to quash it in fear of Hezbollah's reaction. Pitiful.

The LAF is a joke. It absolutely can never be ordered to take action against Hezbollah. A large part of it is Shiite supporters of Hezbollah. The army would break up. The US and French arms going to the LAF will end up either going to Hezbollah or being used by the LAF against Israel. Never against Hezbollah. Those arms shipments should stop. Let Iran supply the arms. It makes no difference.

The whole country would be a joke if it weren't for the tragic consequences that its use as a base for an Iranian proxy army has brought and will bring in the future. The future holds a great catastrophy.
They just might spank them. They were running back and forth commentary not just in the papers but on air. There was talk about no guns in Beirut after this last little shindig a couple of weeks ago. Let me see if I can find some of the statements.
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Old 09-14-2010, 01:40 PM
 
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Here is the clash from a crap load of sources on one page, and I don't like this, I don't want to use this kind of link again. I think.
Lebanese army deploys in Beirut after clashes. - NewsFeed Researcher - hezbollah, beirut, sunni, group, groups, supporters, al-ahbash, supporter, lebanese, hizbullah, clashes, official (http://newsfeedresearcher.com/data/articles_w35/hezbollah-beirut-sunni.html - broken link)

Lebanon news - NOW Lebanon -The gangs of Beirut

Once again, people want Beirut to be gun free. The event above occured a few blocks from a tourist section.
The Daily Star - Politics - Hariri: capital must be free of weapons

But here we have : The Daily Star - Politics - Geagea, Raad trade barbs over resistance at National Dialogue

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Commenting on the so called resistance he said: “Hezbollah must yield to the sole authority of the State, because it has chosen the State of war while the Lebanese have chosen the State of peace.”
Gemayel: Hezbollah must yield to the sole authority of the State | Ya Libnan | World News Live from Lebanon

An explosion of Hezbollah arms depot rocks south Lebanon | Ya Libnan | World News Live from Lebanon

Reaction to Beiteddine dialogue talks | Ya Libnan | World News Live from Lebanon

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That said, it is no secret that since 2005 the party’s already dubious raison d’être has worked itself loose from its moorings. Hezbollah’s ability to deploy an unopposed armed presence, or the threat of such a deployment, has given it carte blanche to impose its own agenda on a helpless nation. At the end of 2006, we endured what would be an 18-month sit-in bang in the middle of Beirut (who was going to seriously move on Hezbollah?). Then, in May 2008, it tried to bring down the government of Fouad Siniora and took its fighters into the mountains. Most recently, we witnessed its role in last Tuesday’s deadly nighttime skirmish in the Beirut district of Bourj Abi Haidar with members of the pro-Syrian Al-Ahbash.

The incident was in all probability the first shots fired in the power struggle between Hezbollah and the Syrian military intelligence to determine who runs Lebanon, but on the street level it was straightforward Shia-Sunni rivalry, a situation that rests on a permanent and potentially explosive hair trigger.

To read more: Lebanon news - NOW Lebanon -The price of brotherly love
Only 25% of a given NOW Lebanon article can be republished. For information on republishing rights from NOW Lebanon: Lebanon news - NOW Lebanon


They had a little back and forth going between Geagea and Nasrallah in the papers that I can't find. Nasrallah says lets ask Iran and Geagea says hand over your supply of weapons and we won't need to ask anybody.

The only way out of this IS to spank Hezbullah. There is no other way. Hezbullah will never submit to one nation-state. That cannot be. [/LEFT]
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Old 09-14-2010, 02:15 PM
 
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The only way out of this IS to spank Hezbullah. There is no other way. Hezbullah will never submit to one nation-state. That cannot be.
How can they spank it? As I said, they will NOT willingly take action against Hezbollah. If Hezbollah ever were to sense a serious threat, they would assasinate, as is their policy. They're already threatening to "crucify" the Christian leader Gemayel.
Who would spank it? the army??? The army would probably break up along secterian lines (Shiite vs. non-Shiite). Anyway, they're a bunch of wimps and cowards. They are "proud" of murdering an Israeli soldier last month.

Having said that, I think the international community should force the government to implement UN Security Council resolution 1701, meaning disarm Hezbollah. Whatever the consequences. Because the alternative will be much worse.
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