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Read some history : The Koran (018:021) states: 'Build a building over them, their Lord knows best about them;' and those who prevailed in their affair said, 'We will surely make a mosque over them.'
This is not a direct commandment to build on a place of victory, but there is a tradition of building mosques to celebrate or symbolize victory.
"The al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem is built on top of one of the holiest sites in Judaism, the Temple Mount. The former St. Sophia's Basilica, once the world's largest cathedral and orthodox patriarchal basilica, was torn down and replaced with the principal mosque of Istanbul. The Cordoba mosque in Spain was a former Christian cathedral. Muslims have engaged in this practice for centuries, symbolizing their victories over the infidels."
There is a reason the Lenin referred to the American Left as "useful idiots" - WAKE UP
And other conquerors throughout history have not built their structures where they conquered as well? That's a major part of the whole conquering schtick, I'd think.
Regardless, it still doesn't make it true that they conquered anything at all in lower Manhattan, and building a small rectangular building two blocks from where massive structures are being built on the actual site where terrorists attacked doesn't make for much of a conquest, does it? This mosque/MCC won't even take up a footprint close in size to ONE of the reflecting pools at the memorial.
Read some history : The Koran (018:021) states: 'Build a building over them, their Lord knows best about them;' and those who prevailed in their affair said, 'We will surely make a mosque over them.'
This is not a direct commandment to build on a place of victory, but there is a tradition of building mosques to celebrate or symbolize victory.
"The al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem is built on top of one of the holiest sites in Judaism, the Temple Mount. The former St. Sophia's Basilica, once the world's largest cathedral and orthodox patriarchal basilica, was torn down and replaced with the principal mosque of Istanbul. The Cordoba mosque in Spain was a former Christian cathedral. Muslims have engaged in this practice for centuries, symbolizing their victories over the infidels."
There is a reason the Lenin referred to the American Left as "useful idiots" - WAKE UP
And you realize that the Cordoba Mosque in Spain is now a Catholic Cathedral that houses the arch-diocese there?
Can't rep you again, but thanks for the history lesson.
I recently read a book of historical fiction about Catherine of Aragon, Henry VIII's first wife and the daughter of Ferdinand and Isabella, the "Catholic Monarchs" who married and went to battle to win Spain back from the Moors. It started with her childhood, which was first spent traveling with her parents on the battlefields and then in the Alhambra after they conquered the caliphate. During the Moorish rule, Jews and Christians were free to practice their religiion and there were few conflicts between the religions. After, of course, came the Spanish Inquisition.
I read that book a couple of months ago, so when the Park Place imam said he named his interfaith project "Cordoba House", I knew what he meant and thought it was pretty clever. And of course I felt so smart, just like when you learn something new and a couple of days later it appears on Jeopardy.
And so it is ... you read A BOOK, and that makes you an expert on the subject? HAHAHA ..... typical.
The fact is, Cordoba was the final stage of the Muslim conquest of the Iberian peninsula, and marked the furthest reach of the Islamic world at that time ... the Pinnacle of Muslim conquest. And it's significance does not require anything more than a passing understanding of history ... of which you FAIL miserably.
And contrary to this NONSENSE depicting these glorious Muslim conquerers as tolerant of, and peaceful to the competing faiths of the region, the real story is that the early part of the 6th century, the Moorish Umayyad army invaded Visigothic Christian Hispania and brought most of the Iberian Peninsula under Islamic rule in a very brutal eight year war.
The Muslims named the region for which they conquered, "Al-Andalus" or in english ... "Land of the Vandals". In modern terms, this would be synonymous with the "land of terrorists". And I am SURE these high minded Muslim conquerers would have been very respectful of those they considered vandals or terrorists ....... yes indeedy .... I'm sure the would have .... NOT.
The retaking of the Iberian peninsula began almost immediately, and is referred to as the "Reconquista", which predates the Crusades, though became blended with the Crusades later as a collective push to retake lands conquered by Muslims. That's right, the Crusades really began as an answer to a call of assistance from the Byzantine Empire to stave off Muslim invasion, and it was this collective military action that was responsible for expelling the Muslim invaders.
Never the less, Cordoba, and Muslim dominance of the Iberian peninsula lasted for about 450 years, until the "Reconquista" was finalized by the retaking of Cordoba.
So anyone believing that "Cordoba" is symbolic of anything other than the celebration of the Pinnacle of expansion of the Islamic empire, and the cornerstone of Muslim dominance of the world has NO knowledge of history, and or possesses an IQ bordering on "too stupid to breathe".
The context of this cannot be mistaken, and a thinking person will not buy this deceptive Muslim BS for a second ... especially given the context of the Cordoba House being erected at ground zero, with plans to formally open on a September 11 date.
And other conquerors throughout history have not built their structures where they conquered as well? That's a major part of the whole conquering schtick, I'd think.
Regardless, it still doesn't make it true that they conquered anything at all in lower Manhattan, and building a small rectangular building two blocks from where massive structures are being built on the actual site where terrorists attacked doesn't make for much of a conquest, does it? This mosque/MCC won't even take up a footprint close in size to ONE of the reflecting pools at the memorial.
First you deny the OBVIOUS symbology, and then, when double talk fails, you deny the significance.
Give it up ... and admit this ALLEGED "Religion" is what it is ... and what it has ALWAYS been ... a system of conquest and dominance from it's early infancy of the 7th century until the 11th century when the conquest was forcibly repelled.
It's goals have not changed, though it's tactics have. The Islamics do not possess the military might to invade and conquer, so they infiltrate and expand by way of deception and false protestations of tolerance and peace.
And so it is ... you read A BOOK, and that makes you an expert on the subject? HAHAHA ..... typical.
The fact is, Cordoba was the final stage of the Muslim conquest of the Iberian peninsula, and marked the furthest reach of the Islamic world at that time ... the Pinnacle of Muslim conquest. And it's significance does not require anything more than a passing understanding of history ... of which you FAIL miserably.
And contrary to this NONSENSE depicting these glorious Muslim conquerers as tolerant of, and peaceful to the competing faiths of the region, the real story is that the early part of the 6th century, the Moorish Umayyad army invaded Visigothic Christian Hispania and brought most of the Iberian Peninsula under Islamic rule in a very brutal eight year war.
The Muslims named the region for which they conquered, "Al-Andalus" or in english ... "Land of the Vandals". In modern terms, this would be synonymous with the "land of terrorists". And I am SURE these high minded Muslim conquerers would have been very respectful of those they considered vandals or terrorists ....... yes indeedy .... I'm sure the would have .... NOT.
The retaking of the Iberian peninsula began almost immediately, and is referred to as the "Reconquista", which predates the Crusades, though became blended with the Crusades later as a collective push to retake lands conquered by Muslims. That's right, the Crusades really began as an answer to a call of assistance from the Byzantine Empire to stave off Muslim invasion, and it was this collective military action that was responsible for expelling the Muslim invaders.
Never the less, Cordoba, and Muslim dominance of the Iberian peninsula lasted for about 450 years, until the "Reconquista" was finalized by the retaking of Cordoba.
So anyone believing that "Cordoba" is symbolic of anything other than the celebration of the Pinnacle of expansion of the Islamic empire, and the cornerstone of Muslim dominance of the world has NO knowledge of history, and or possesses an IQ bordering on "too stupid to breathe".
The context of this cannot be mistaken, and a thinking person will not buy this deceptive Muslim BS for a second ... especially given the context of the Cordoba House being erected at ground zero, with plans to formally open on a September 11 date.
I think it's a bit myopic to belittle someone else's knowledge, while at the same time ignoring the larger history of a place and focusing on a brief period to support your argument. The larger history of Cordoba is every bit as applicable to the rationale behind choosing this name, though it's understandable why some people might choose to IGNORE that larger history.
The Muslims named the region for which they conquered, "Al-Andalus" or in english ... "Land of the Vandals". In modern terms, this would be synonymous with the "land of terrorists". And I am SURE these high minded Muslim conquerers would have been very respectful of those they considered vandals or terrorists ....... yes indeedy .... I'm sure the would have .... NOT.
No, actually the Vandals were the East Germanic tribe that conquered and settled Hispania and parts of North Africa a few hundred years earlier. The name Al-Andalus or Andalusia has been theorized as refering to the Berber pronounciation of Vandal.
It doesn't refer to our modern usage of the word vandal to describe hooligans or destruction of property.
The Muslims named the region for which they conquered, "Al-Andalus" or in english ... "Land of the Vandals". In modern terms, this would be synonymous with the "land of terrorists".
That's silly.
The Vandals proudly referred to themselves as Vandals/Wendlas/Wandals, spelling being a minor detail back then, and most etymologists link it to Old Germanic for "wanderer". The Danish monarch's full title included "the Wends and the Goths" until 1972.
(The derogatory use of Vandal is linked to their conquest of Rome, which sat poorly with Roman historians. And seeing as they got to write the history, well...)
especially given the context of the Cordoba House being erected at ground zero, with plans to formally open on a September 11 date.
I know you're not overly critical when picking your source material, but can you provide a cite (beyond NY Post) for the alleged September 11th opening date? Preferably something coming from, y'know, representatives for the Park51 project.
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