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I stated the claim should be investigated with impartiality. Should not be automatically believed, but it should also not automatically be dismissed as playing the race card.
True experience of racism may not leave behind biological markers, but the emotional/psychological scars can be just as damaging.
I agree that it's harder to prove to others. But if I'm a victim of racism, I know it........you may not ever believe me, but that doesn't make my claim any less valid. If a woman is raped and the man leaves behind no DNA evidence and no marks to show he forced himself upon her, does that mean she wasn't raped? She may not be able to prove it to police, a judge etc, but that doesn't mean she wasn't raped.
I think I see where you are going with this. So, if I understand correctly, the perception that something has happened, even if it cannot be proven, means that it absolutely happened, as long as it cannot be disproven. This would be because at some point our perceptions and life experience define our reality. That our reality (meaning the person(s) experiencing an action) may not meet the measure of what can be proven to be reality in the greater realm of society is not of importance in order to be valid. Is that correct?
Uh....provide the quote were I did any such thing? Again....more dissent based upon lies. What does that say about our position if you must conjure up argument fallacies, lies and hyperbole to refute and dissent?
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Racist....among others! Ignorance is their foundation.
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This is not an EVEN-Steven thing here. Go look at history. Its hardly a BALANCED phenomenon. The main complaint that blacks have of whites is that in the past whites treated blacks very badly and in the present they have improved a lot...but they still lhave a long ways to go in how they view and treat black folks. Now.....white racism is rooted in the belief in black inferiority....and hence white view points and behavior towards blacks manifest that.
A disturbing portion of white youth/older-generation whites. Whites who prefer drag-racing and playing "chicken" to learning their multiplication tables. Whites who think book learning is unnecessary when they need to get a job in a factory/mine etc. Whites who think getting a college education is for the "elite" society and think that degree-holders are cocky and arrogant. Whites who tout Hitler but could not tell you one damn thing about him. Whites who think Byrd is some kind of folk hero. White kids who run around chanting "stop snitching".
That's who.
Whites who tout Hiter?
Sure, see em all the time. They were brawling on the Metro a couple of weeks ago? Bin ich richtig?
Nazis are always the answer when backed in a corner, no?
Yeah, I reckon it is just to simple.....................Hows about we judge everyone by the same standard...........if saying the word n-word, makes one person a racist , then it makes everyone a racist........surely we know that is not the case, so perhaps we should stop playing these idiotic games, drop the victim status and treat everyone as humans regardless of their color.......hows about that? Hell if we all had that mentality this discussion would be over.
Hmmmmmm...OP was about how many meet black cries of racism with disbelief and assertions of playing the race card. He wanted to know, if black people's complaints are bunk, what are some legitimate scenarios that whites will acknowledge are racist scenarios. It would really be helpful, the next time I'm confronted with racism, to have a guideline to go by to distinguish ill intent vs. a genuine misunderstanding.
You're still following this thread? I thought you'd abandoned ship seeing as how you never addressed my question about the connotation of black vs. white terms. Typical.
Oh my the pot calling the kettle black. No I abandoned talking to ignorance an bias..
Here's the deal...........If more blacks thought less about their own skin color and considered themselves children of the same God that whites come from, all this nonsense would start to fade. Are there white racist's out their still today, yes! Are there black racist's out there today yes! Shame on all of them! Lets get over it, Blacks need to start listening more to the likes of Bill Cosby and Denzel Washington and less to the likes of Sharpton and Jackson. It has been my experience that most whites are not racists and they believe that the incessant clamoring and accusations by blacks create more division than the skin color they are screaming about ever did.
Here's the deal...........If more blacks thought less about their own skin color and considered themselves children of the same God that whites come from, all this nonsense would start to fade. Are there white racist's out their still today, yes! Are there black racist's out there today yes! Shame on all of them! Lets get over it, Blacks need to start listening more to the likes of Bill Cosby and Denzel Washington and less to the likes of Sharpton and Jackson. It has been my experience that most whites are not racists and they believe that the incessant clamoring and accusations by blacks create more division than the skin color they are screaming about ever did.
My feeling too but I've been slammed for them before. Hyphenated populations and the "need" to identifiy ourselves as "different" is killing this nation, IMO. That is not to diminish the experiences of members of any race, ethnicity, religion but to just state that all humans have unique experiences and we need to focus on our similarities unless we want to remain divided.
I think I see where you are going with this. So, if I understand correctly, the perception that something has happened, even if it cannot be proven, means that it absolutely happened, as long as it cannot be disproven. This would be because at some point our perceptions and life experience define our reality. That our reality (meaning the person(s) experiencing an action) may not meet the measure of what can be proven to be reality in the greater realm of society is not of importance in order to be valid. Is that correct?
Not sure if you're attempting to trip me up, but let's break this down......
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I think I see where you are going with this. So, if I understand correctly, the perception that something has happened, even if it cannot be proven, means that it absolutely happened, as long as it cannot be disproven.
No, what I'm saying is that if I perceive to have been a victim of racism, then that's my claim. If no one else was around to see what happened, I have no proof. That does not void my claim. You seem to be working from the standpoint of those crying racism when it's not there. *I'm* working from a standpoint of being a victim of racism, whether proof is present or absent. Which is why claims should be investigated with impartiality vs automatic belief/disbelief. There have been many topics posted about an act where the victim claims racism.....the automatic response of many is "bull". My automatic response is "Really, what happened..what are the facts...?".
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This would be because at some point our perceptions and life experience define our reality. That our reality (meaning the person(s) experiencing an action) may not meet the measure of what can be proven to be reality in the greater realm of society is not of importance in order to be valid.
Unless I'm wrong, it seems like you're suggesting that past experiences can warp one's ability to discern what is happening in the present. Not so.
My *rape* analogy really does explain it best. Because a woman was raped in the past, if a man approaches her 10 years later and forces her to have sex, has her past experience somehow made it seem like this new incident was rape....could it have just been consensual sex and she overreacted? That seems to be where you're going and to that I say ...no, you're not correct.
Again...you have not provided any quotes where I said whites were mean. Blacks were treated as if they were inferior because whites believed they were inferior. Its not being mean....its being IGNORANT. Being mean is being malicious. Blacks were treaty badly by not giving us certain opportunities and freedoms and those things were not denied based upon whites being MEAN, but rather, based upon the theory of white supremacy and black inferiority. It has nothing to do with "being mean people". Rather, its having certain beliefs that manifest in the different treatment of peoples.
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