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Old 08-20-2010, 11:33 AM
 
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Remember the Columbine shooting? Of course, everyone does. It was a heart-wrenching tragedy in middle America, that hit home with every parent. Do you also remember the NRA passing through on their scheduled tour across the United States? If so, then you probably remember the left (and the media of course) protesting the NRA's visit. And you remember Charlton Heston saying in a speech that they feel for the victims of Columbine, but that the NRA has a right guaranteed by the Constitution to free assembly and the right to bear arms.

By now, you probably see what I'm getting at. Why does the left get to cherry pick which parts of the Constitution should be upheld? Why is one group guaranteed their rights in the wake of a national tragedy, and others aren't?

It's hypocrisy in it's purest form. And before you try to argue that the two situations are/were somehow different, think very carefully.

For the record: I'm all for building the mosque, but I gotta call it like I see it.

I think both the NRA and the developers of the proposed Muslim community center showed a serious lack of tact in both decisions. But both are defendable under the Constitution---there isn't any mention of good taste in regards to the First Amendment.
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Old 08-20-2010, 11:50 AM
 
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Did we need a different thread for hypocrisy separate from the "double standard" thread?
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Old 08-20-2010, 11:54 AM
 
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Why don't you provide your view on the subject first? Or, is it always more convenient to point fingers? Do you cherry pick? Demonstrate it, using the two instances you brought up and then we will have something to discuss.
My view on what? The mosque, or the NRA?

I stated my opinion on the mosque in the very first post. I could really care less about the NRA, as long as they aren't doing anything illegal it doesn't bother me. Am I for the right to bear arms? Of course.
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Old 08-20-2010, 11:55 AM
 
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Did we need a different thread for hypocrisy separate from the "double standard" thread?
Yes, because that thread made absolutely zero sense. It was 5 pages of people saying "this doesn't make sense."
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Old 08-20-2010, 11:56 AM
 
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I think both the NRA and the developers of the proposed Muslim community center showed a serious lack of tact in both decisions.
Exactly the point I am trying to make. Both actions are, however, guaranteed by the Constitution.

Both parties like to pick their battles though, and make themselves look like idiots.
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Old 08-20-2010, 11:58 AM
 
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Remember the Columbine shooting? Of course, everyone does. It was a heart-wrenching tragedy in middle America, that hit home with every parent. Do you also remember the NRA passing through on their scheduled tour across the United States? If so, then you probably remember the left (and the media of course) protesting the NRA's visit. And you remember Charlton Heston saying in a speech that they feel for the victims of Columbine, but that the NRA has a right guaranteed by the Constitution to free assembly and the right to bear arms.

By now, you probably see what I'm getting at. Why does the left get to cherry pick which parts of the Constitution should be upheld? Why is one group guaranteed their rights in the wake of a national tragedy, and others aren't?

It's hypocrisy in it's purest form. And before you try to argue that the two situations are/were somehow different, think very carefully.

For the record: I'm all for building the mosque, but I gotta call it like I see it.
The hypocrisy can be illustrated by the policies and positions of Mayor Bloomberg alone (yes, a RINO is part of the left).
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Old 08-20-2010, 12:00 PM
 
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Exactly the point I am trying to make. Both actions are, however, guaranteed by the Constitution.

Both parties like to pick their battles though, and make themselves look like idiots.
Don't you know that cherry picking portions of rights from the Constitution is a sign of intellectual superiority?

The means justifies the end....blah, blah blah.....
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Old 08-20-2010, 12:15 PM
 
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Exactly the point I am trying to make. Both actions are, however, guaranteed by the Constitution.

Both parties like to pick their battles though, and make themselves look like idiots.
Then that would be the hypocrisy of the Right as well.


But that isn't what you said. At all.
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Old 08-20-2010, 12:21 PM
 
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Well, shouldn't they both? Or, is it only the right wingers that are allowed to cherry pick?

Besides the issue of picking cherries, you're also comparing apples and oranges. Quite fruity of an argument, and hopefully we can arrive at a fruitful conclusion.

As far as NRA goes, it is a lobbying group (not as bad as Fox News though, since more Fox News viewers vote for right wingers than do NRA members, at least true in case of Bush). That group deals with something deemed controversial. For example, you can't exercise your second amendment rights inside a government building. Gun rights are still debated, and usually across many factions (some with full restriction, some with some regulation and others with no regulation at all). Now, do you see the same issue with the first amendment? I hope not.
Hey Einstein, it IS apples and apples. You can't have a prayer service inside a government building either so what was your point again?
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Old 08-20-2010, 12:44 PM
 
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Again, another conservative making a blanket statement. Ok. what part of the constitution are you referring to that the democrats are cherry picking? What is this in relation to, what event?
You just proved his point. It doesn't matter what part of the Constitution and what event (and the event-holders). You are collecting info to selectively apply and not apply rights.

You already have plenty of info.
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