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Old 08-20-2010, 10:07 AM
 
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Remember the Columbine shooting? Of course, everyone does. It was a heart-wrenching tragedy in middle America, that hit home with every parent. Do you also remember the NRA passing through on their scheduled tour across the United States? If so, then you probably remember the left (and the media of course) protesting the NRA's visit. And you remember Charlton Heston saying in a speech that they feel for the victims of Columbine, but that the NRA has a right guaranteed by the Constitution to free assembly and the right to bear arms.

By now, you probably see what I'm getting at. Why does the left get to cherry pick which parts of the Constitution should be upheld? Why is one group guaranteed their rights in the wake of a national tragedy, and others aren't?

It's hypocrisy in it's purest form. And before you try to argue that the two situations are/were somehow different, think very carefully.

For the record: I'm all for building the mosque, but I gotta call it like I see it.
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Old 08-20-2010, 10:18 AM
 
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Again, another conservative making a blanket statement. Ok. what part of the constitution are you referring to that the democrats are cherry picking? What is this in relation to, what event?
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Old 08-20-2010, 10:18 AM
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I don't remember the media protesting, but I see your point. I'm one of the rare few in politics that agrees with the NRA and the ACLU, not on every issue, but I don't pick and choose when it comes to the Bill of Rights.
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Old 08-20-2010, 10:21 AM
 
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Why does the left get to cherry pick which parts of the Constitution should be upheld? Why is one group guaranteed their rights in the wake of a national tragedy, and others aren't?
Well, shouldn't they both? Or, is it only the right wingers that are allowed to cherry pick?

Besides the issue of picking cherries, you're also comparing apples and oranges. Quite fruity of an argument, and hopefully we can arrive at a fruitful conclusion.

As far as NRA goes, it is a lobbying group (not as bad as Fox News though, since more Fox News viewers vote for right wingers than do NRA members, at least true in case of Bush). That group deals with something deemed controversial. For example, you can't exercise your second amendment rights inside a government building. Gun rights are still debated, and usually across many factions (some with full restriction, some with some regulation and others with no regulation at all). Now, do you see the same issue with the first amendment? I hope not.
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Old 08-20-2010, 10:27 AM
 
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First, what I stated is no more a blanket statement than saying conservatives are against the ground zero mosque.

Second, Im not trying to defend any right-wingers.

I'm simply drawing a parallel between the left saying "you can't bring your gun club to this city" and the right saying "you can't build that mosque near this spot."

And let's not be coy here, we can all agree that, for the most part, lefties are relatively strict on gun laws, and right-wingers in general are against the ground zero mosque.
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Old 08-20-2010, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Why don't you provide your view on the subject first? Or, is it always more convenient to point fingers? Do you cherry pick? Demonstrate it, using the two instances you brought up and then we will have something to discuss.
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Old 08-20-2010, 10:34 AM
 
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The dems controlled house, senate and presidency and did nothing about gun control. This tells me that they really aren't serious about gun control so this issue is somewhat of a red herring.

Gun violence is worst in areas that are urban and heavily identify with the democratic party. Because of this, they have to at least pay lip service and token gesture to the topic.

Basically, it's like abortion for the republicans...you have to be tough on it in the primaries or lose the far right...then once you get the nomination you can largely ignore it unless you need a fund raiser.

Anyone that doesn't recognize that both parties are a ton alike and BOTH hypocrites is beyond helping back to reality.
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Old 08-20-2010, 10:36 AM
 
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This isn't even on the same wavelength for comparison. I don't recall any massive attack on the NRA from the left or the media either. The most blame and outrage i remember was everyone going after marilyn manson saying it was his fault for the attacks.
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Old 08-20-2010, 10:46 AM
 
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I'm a 'lefty' who quite enjoys shooting sports, hunting and firearms in general. Grew up around them, used to compete in Postal Shoots through my 4H club growing up.

I do not support the NRA.
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Old 08-20-2010, 11:24 AM
 
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Remember the Columbine shooting? Of course, everyone does. It was a heart-wrenching tragedy in middle America, that hit home with every parent. Do you also remember the NRA passing through on their scheduled tour across the United States? If so, then you probably remember the left (and the media of course) protesting the NRA's visit. And you remember Charlton Heston saying in a speech that they feel for the victims of Columbine, but that the NRA has a right guaranteed by the Constitution to free assembly and the right to bear arms.

By now, you probably see what I'm getting at. Why does the left get to cherry pick which parts of the Constitution should be upheld? Why is one group guaranteed their rights in the wake of a national tragedy, and others aren't?

It's hypocrisy in it's purest form. And before you try to argue that the two situations are/were somehow different, think very carefully.

For the record: I'm all for building the mosque, but I gotta call it like I see it.
So do I. I have to call it like I see it.

It wasn't until McDonald v Chicago (2010) that the second ammendment was incorporated. Therefore, you didn't have a right. The right didn't apply to you. It wasn't cherry picking. It was merely a fact.

By now you probably see what I am getting at. You need a library built next to your house.

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