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Old 08-23-2010, 10:17 PM
 
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"There were opposing rallies over the mosque near ground zero this weekend. Mosque opponents waved signs with the word “Sharia” written in blood. There’s nothing like promoting religious intolerance by accusing others of religious intolerance. Yes, there are some intolerant and potentially violent Muslims in the world. They’re a very tiny minority… and they’re pretty much the Islamic equivalent of a lot of the people protesting the proposed mosque. Islamic radicals around the world are seizing on protests against the proposed Islamic community center as a propaganda opportunity. If you insist that millions of people who are not your enemy are your enemy, it’s inevitable that some of them will become your enemy. Newt Gingrich sent out an email saying “We will never win a war when we are afraid to even name our enemies.” You’re not naming our enemies, Newt—you’re creating them.

The crazy doesn’t stop in Lower Manhattan. Pat Robertson is worried about a proposed Islamic center in rural Tennessee. This proposed Islamic center is on Veals Road off Bradyville Pike southeast of Murfreesboro. Don’t tell me—is that hallowed ground too?"
...Randi Rhodes
Even though I am opposed to the mosque location, I did see the clips of the rally and I did not like a lot of the signs.

But, I must agree with Newt. Since the Administration decided it was too hard to say "terrorist", I'm glad Newt is speaking out on that.

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A reply from Newt Gingrich on the mosque
Gingrich recognizes the difference between moderate Muslims and radical Islamists and that the guilt of the 9/11 terrorists does not fall on all Muslims. But unlike Lexington, Gingrich also recognizes that the radical Islamism that drove the 9/11 attacks is more than simply a religious belief. It is a comprehensive political movement that seeks to impose sharia—Islamic law—upon all aspects of global society. Moreover, while some radical Islamists use terrorism as a tactic to impose sharia, Gingrich and many Americans are well aware – even if the Economist’s columnist charged with reporting on American society has not yet figured this out -- that other radical Islamists also use non-violent methods to wage a cultural, economic, political, and legal jihad that seeks the same totalitarian goal of sharia supremacy even while claiming to repudiate violence.

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Gingrich and the mosque: A reply from Newt Gingrich on the mosque | The Economist
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Rauf’s pleas for religious liberty in the United States (a freedom Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries forbid) is rank hypocrisy.
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Old 08-23-2010, 10:31 PM
 
Location: lake zurich, il
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You answered my question and then went on too far. All I can see is you trying to protect the Muslims in al Qaeda.
No what I am saying is yes just about everyone in al-Qaeda is Muslim but not all Muslims are part of al-Qaeda. In other words not all Muslims are evil terrorists. If I just answered your question, "Yes all of al-Qaeda is comprised of Muslims" then that would have left it quite open for you to come in and say "Oh well then all Muslims must be terrorists then." Thats why I included the "...But not all Muslims are part of al-Qaeda" part.
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Old 08-23-2010, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Well there you have it.

"We tend to forget, in the West, that the United States has more Muslim blood on its hands than al-Qaeda has on its hands of innocent non Muslims," Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf said in 2005.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awISCKJzVtE&feature=player_embedded#!
Objectively, is this true or not?

Conservatism--the ideology of emotion over fact.
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Old 08-23-2010, 10:40 PM
 
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Objectively, is this true or not?

Conservatism--the ideology of emotion over fact.
Is what true? His own words? LOL!
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Old 08-23-2010, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Is what true? His own words? LOL!

Yes, yes, yes, the radical Left can't be held accountable for their own words!
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Old 08-23-2010, 10:47 PM
 
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Yes, yes, yes, the radical Left can't be held accountable for their own words!
Seems so, doesn't it?
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Old 08-23-2010, 11:14 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Is what true? His own words? LOL!
Yes, his own words-- has al Qaeda or the USA killed more innocent civilians?
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Old 08-24-2010, 01:15 AM
 
Location: Earth
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Islam is NOT A RELIGION
It's the same as xianity.

Of course, if you say so... it must be true.
The rest of the world is wrong.
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Old 08-24-2010, 01:33 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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"We tend to forget, in the West, that the United States has more Muslim blood on its hands than al-Qaeda has on its hands of innocent non Muslims," Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf said in 2005.
This is a demonstrably true statement, as it stands.

I think the Imam and others like him ought to take into consideration what al-Qaeda would do if it exercised the sort of power the United States does. Still, there is nothing factually incorrect about the statement.
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Old 08-24-2010, 02:30 AM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Hiroshima and Nagasaki...300,000+
And who started that war (and could have prevented those casualties)? Right... Japan.

Also, more were killed with conventional bombing in Tokyo and in Germany than were killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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