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Old 08-26-2010, 09:21 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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By that method of reasoning, you should be living in extreme fear all the time. If even 1% of the country are pre-disposed to violence, fear. If people get murdered in your country, fear. If people are assaulted or raped, fear. If people are robbed, fear. If people are molested, fear. And there is not one country on this planet where these things do not happen. Do you live in a constant state of fear?

People who live in the United States don't have any reason to fear the general population of American citizens who happen to be Muslim. There have been Muslims living in this country since it was founded. The number of incidents of American Muslims attacking other Americans for religious reasons is actually much smaller than the number of incidents of Christians and other groups attacking others for religious reasons. Witch trials. Massachusetts outlawing and hanging Quakers. The conflicts between Mormons and traditional Christians. The ongoing issues with the FLDS.

Rationally speaking, we don't have reason to fear Muslims. Islam is not uniformly practiced throughout the world, just as Christianity is not. Both religions have fundamentalists and extremists. Most religions have a history of violence. More than that, we have a rational reason to accept and tolerate Islam and other non-majority reasons in this country. That reason being that we were founded on the principle of freedom of religion. Why did our Founding Fathers thing that freedom of religion was important? Don't their reasons then still apply now?
To me it is all about likelihood. When I walk through the pedestrian zone I am not afraid because I don't know what people believe and think. If I could read minds it would probably be different.
But when I do know what people are likely to believe in, I would act accordingly. If I walk down a street in any Muslim country I - definitely looking a non-Muslim foreigner - would definitely feel much more afraid than if walking down a street in Portugal or Sweden.
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Old 08-26-2010, 09:25 AM
 
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To me it is all about likelihood. When I walk through the pedestrian zone I am not afraid because I don't know what people believe and think. If I could read minds it would probably be different.
But when I do know what people are likely to believe in, I would act accordingly. If I walk down a street in any Muslim country I - definitely looking a non-Muslim foreigner - would definitely feel much more afraid than if walking down a street in Portugal or Sweden.
And if you walk down a street in the United States, fear? Or, not? Because that's what we're talking about, isn't it? Fear in the United States of its existing citizens who happen to be Muslim. Irrational fear.
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Old 08-26-2010, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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How can you stab them through the glass? Ever been in a NYC cab?
This is one of those stories manufactured by liberal freaks to try to stir up hatred. If you read the posted link (particularly the bit the OP didn't post):

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The 43-year-old driver was able to lock the passenger in the back of the cab and call 911.

Both the driver and the passenger were taken to Bellevue Hospital.

As of late Tuesday, no charges had been filed.
Why would the passenger be taken to the hospital unless he was also injured? If no charges are being filed then the police have determined that either no crime has been committed, or they are unable to determine who was the aggressor, or that neither the driver nor the passenger decided to press charges.

For all we know the cab driver could have attacked the passenger for being an "infidel", and the wounds he suffered were caused when the passenger fought back. Naturally, liberal freaks only post one-side of the story, the side that fosters the most hatred. Why is it there is no statement from the passenger?

If what the OP posted were actually true, do you think that law enforcement wouldn't hesitate for an instant to charge yet another white male with a hate crime?
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Old 08-26-2010, 09:25 AM
 
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Still on that "holy war" thing huh chielgirl.

FYI, the hippie movement was a failure and didn't give the world anything but drug addiction, STDs, bad bands (Grateful Dead) and poverty. Oh and really bad dance moves.
You are confusing the '60's with the 1980's - era of
Cocaine, STDs, AIDS at an all time high. Bad dance moves in the '60's - they just kind of twirled around while high on LSD or sat down smoking pot

The late '60's early '70's probably gave us the best
musicians we will ever hear - from Hendrix to Bowie &
everything in between
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Old 08-26-2010, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Long Beach
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I think we know where this came from....another byproduct of Islamophobia.

Police: Cab Driver Stabbed By Passenger Who Asked "Are You Muslim?" - NY1.com
Lets arrest Sarah Palin and Newt Gringrich for instigating all of this in the first place.
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Old 08-26-2010, 09:27 AM
 
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This is one of those stories manufactured by liberal freaks to try to stir up hatred. If you read the posted link (particularly the bit the OP didn't post):



Why would the passenger be taken to the hospital unless he was also injured? If no charges are being filed then the police have determined that either no crime has been committed, or they are unable to determine who was the aggressor, or that neither the driver nor the passenger decided to press charges.

For all we know the cab driver could have attacked the passenger for being an "infidel", and the wounds he suffered were caused when the passenger fought back. Naturally, liberal freaks only post one-side of the story, the side that fosters the most hatred. Why is it there is no statement from the passenger?

If what the OP posted were actually true, do you think that law enforcement wouldn't hesitate for an instant to charge yet another white male with a hate crime?
The white guy has been charged Thought to be drunk, he was probably taken to the hospital for psychiatric eval.
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Old 08-26-2010, 09:28 AM
 
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This is one of those stories manufactured by liberal freaks to try to stir up hatred. If you read the posted link (particularly the bit the OP didn't post):



Why would the passenger be taken to the hospital unless he was also injured? If no charges are being filed then the police have determined that either no crime has been committed, or they are unable to determine who was the aggressor, or that neither the driver nor the passenger decided to press charges.

For all we know the cab driver could have attacked the passenger for being an "infidel", and the wounds he suffered were caused when the passenger fought back. Naturally, liberal freaks only post one-side of the story, the side that fosters the most hatred. Why is it there is no statement from the passenger?

If what the OP posted were actually true, do you think that law enforcement wouldn't hesitate for an instant to charge yet another white male with a hate crime?
He was charged on Wednesday.


The Associated Press: Man held without bail in NYC cab driver stabbing
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Old 08-26-2010, 09:35 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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And if you walk down a street in the United States, fear? Or, not? Because that's what we're talking about, isn't it? Fear in the United States of its existing citizens who happen to be Muslim. Irrational fear.
I disagree. Islamophobia means being afraid of Islam, not necessarily people. And yes, if I walked down a street in the US or anywhere else and knew who was Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, etc. I would probably try to avoid people in the given order based on their religion. Just to be on the safer side, without knowing any of those people.

And since you mention the US, I would clearly be more fearful in general walking down a street in any US city than here in Europe.
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Old 08-26-2010, 09:43 AM
 
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I disagree. Islamophobia means being afraid of Islam, not necessarily people. And yes, if I walked down a street in the US or anywhere else and knew who was Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, etc. I would probably try to avoid people in the given order based on their religion. Just to be on the safer side, without knowing any of those people.

And since you mention the US, I would clearly be more fearful in general walking down a street in any US city than here in Europe.
The key phrase being "knew who was Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, etc." But since we cannot know the beliefs of someone based on their appearance, or even their clothes, then what you are saying is avoid contact with everyone?????

And since the thread is about the US, I would say that your fears about walking down a street in "any US city" are irrational. If you have a reason to fear, that's one thing, but just being fearful in general is essentially irrational.
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Old 08-26-2010, 09:43 AM
 
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There should be no such thing as a hate crime. Why does it matter if he slashed the cabbie's throat because he is Muslim or because he was a cabbie.
Actually there should be and the reason why historically is in this country violence and domestic terrorism has been used as tool to oppress and intimidate specific groups of people based on religion, race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation and gender.

The fact that an act is violent or unlawful is speaks for itself. But the fact the crime is an instrument used to intimidate, terrorize, and oppress should carry an additional penalty to deter its use in that regard.
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