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Your argument while correct about how consumers help support private business has nothing to do with govt funded stimulus to help restore the economy, or the argument that the stimulus could have been better targeted to be more efficient.
This thread is about the govt funded stimulus and how the govt can get the best "bang for the buck". Helping private business create more jobs is always more cost effective for the govt than providing a fully funded by the govt job. This isn't a knock on cops/teachers or whoever. Its merely pointing out which means of stimulus is more cost effective for the govt.
I realize what the thread is about, since I began it. I was responding to C.C.'s comments regarding retirement benefits.
Moving on...private business holds the key to putting people back to work, it always has. I don't know if offering loans to small businesses or tax cuts for companies who hire would help.
A joint, COLA'd $22,500 annuity at age 50 could be worth about $878K, depending on spouse's age. How much of that comes from taxpayers?
I'm over 50, your calculations are off about 15 years. I paid for 50% of my retirement, so, life expectancy is what, 75 years? That's 112.125K It does not include the extra money I invested in the 401k with my own money. Again, I'm not getting rich. See my earlier posts on Public v Private sector.
We both need to keep on the thread subject, or both of us are going to get TOSed. I don't know about you, but I really don't want another infraction and suspension for hijacking a thread (even if it IS my thread).
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I realize what the thread is about, since I began it. I was responding to C.C.'s comments regarding retirement benefits.
Moving on...private business holds the key to putting people back to work, it always has. I don't know if offering loans to small businesses or tax cuts for companies who hire would help.
I'm surprised you started this thread, since you are an obama supporter....or are you?
I'm a realist. I do not like all of his policies, and I don't lockstep to any party-line politics. I'm not enchanted with the Dems, and the GOP makes me gag. I'm an Indi.
I'm a realist. I do not like all of his policies, and I don't lockstep to any party-line politics. I'm not enchanted with the Dems, and the GOP makes me gag. I'm an Indi.
Do you think that public employees don't pay taxes or circulate money? Do they buy cars, homes, food, clothing? Do they contribute to society? the 500 teachers are no longer collecting unemployment, genius, and the thousands of teachers throughout the state that were rehired are no longer collecting unemployment.
Public employees work just as hard as private sector employees, with the added bonus of taking undeserved guff from the public at large. They get up early, work 40 + hours a week just like the rest of working America. I can't tell you how many a$$h**** I busted for DUI or driving 50 MPH in a school zone "lectured" me that they pay my salary through their tax dollars.
Private sector employee's salaries are paid for by the consumer, so what's the difference? When you pay for food, you pay the salaries of the farmer, the stock clerks, the cashiers, the store manager and the trucker who delivered your food. When you buy a pair of shoes you pay the salaries of everyone involved in manufacture, distribution and sales of the shoes. So, please, spare me the "my taxes pay their salary" schtick.
The next time you read a book, thank a teacher. The next time you call 911 for help, thank a cop. The next time someone pulls your a$$ out of a fire or wrecked vehicle, thank a fireman. All paid for by your tax dollars.
there are some public sector employees i have high respect for, LEO's firefighters, teachers, paramedics, etc. it has always been my opinion that when governments cut these employees when they are down on money is always a big mistake. there is plenty of fat that can be cut from government budgets without touching important employees. a government doesnt need 50 clerk/typists when 35 will do nicely for instance.
as for thanking cops, i thank them even when they pull me over for a traffic violation.
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Wow, busy lady. Watch out, I hear she's pretty lethal with the golf clubs.
i am not so bad myself, besides i can duck pretty well also, i dated a jamaican lady who had a bit of a temper, i can deal.
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If thing are going so badly in Europe how is it possible for a private sector manufacturer to create a super motorcycle costing $160K (Cycle World, this issue) and expect to sell any. Product development in Europe is surpassing ours. I wonder why? Could it be Europe, with its pernicious socialism and a lazy union worker is being more productive overall than the "capitalist" anti-union USA? Could it be European governments support smaller companies where most of the cutting edge development is done while we let them be crushed by multinationals that don't want any change?
The Europeans are taking over the top end of our markets where the real money is concentrated. The Asians are taking over the lower end where margins are tighter but volume is higher. What is being left for us? Building weapons that don’t seem to make much difference? Protecting feudal oil kingdoms at the cost of our own Republic?
Maybe out private sector business “leaders” want to become a feudal royalty of their own and be separated economically, socially and personally from the rest of us drudges that make their lives possible. The closer they get the less willing the rest of us are to keep playing at their crooked table. It is past time to burn down the casino and start over.
we are as competitive as any nation in the world, even with the government retrictions we have on our industries. however if our industrial base was turned loose, we would in fact dominate the world again.
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Yep. As Popeye said so eloquently "I 'yam what I 'yam. I voted for Gov. Crist when he ran in Florida. I look at policy, not party.
I didn't vote for McCain because he had Palin as a running mate. He listened to his handlers and not his gut.
palin actually helped mccain. anyone else and mccain would have lost bigger than he did.
Do you think that public employees don't pay taxes or circulate money? Do they buy cars, homes, food, clothing? Do they contribute to society? the 500 teachers are no longer collecting unemployment, genius, and the thousands of teachers throughout the state that were rehired are no longer collecting unemployment.
Public employees work just as hard as private sector employees, with the added bonus of taking undeserved guff from the public at large. They get up early, work 40 + hours a week just like the rest of working America. I can't tell you how many a$$h**** I busted for DUI or driving 50 MPH in a school zone "lectured" me that they pay my salary through their tax dollars.
Private sector employee's salaries are paid for by the consumer, so what's the difference? When you pay for food, you pay the salaries of the farmer, the stock clerks, the cashiers, the store manager and the trucker who delivered your food. When you buy a pair of shoes you pay the salaries of everyone involved in manufacture, distribution and sales of the shoes. So, please, spare me the "my taxes pay their salary" schtick.
The next time you read a book, thank a teacher. The next time you call 911 for help, thank a cop. The next time someone pulls your a$$ out of a fire or wrecked vehicle, thank a fireman. All paid for by your tax dollars.
Uh, have you ever read what I've posted? If you have, you will realize I am a police officer and have been for 22 years. Go lecture someone else.
Uh, have you ever read what I've posted? If you have, you will realize I am a police officer and have been for 22 years. Go lecture someone else.
Kudos to you. The "lecture" still stands. When people ***** and moan about government workers and their tax dollars, I point out the obvious. 500 teachers in one county in Florida regained their jobs. That's just in one county.
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Kudos to you. The "lecture" still stands. When people ***** and moan about government workers and their tax dollars, I point out the obvious. 500 teachers in one county in Florida regained their jobs. That's just in one county.
Clearly, govt workers are far more deserving of having their jobs bailed out by the taxpayer than lowly non-union private-sector workers. Hard to see how anyone could argue with that!
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