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The bolded statements are precisely the issues that you and others are in denial about, in spite of the fact that the one common denominator is Islam. That just seems to be the ONE ELEMENT you refuse to consider, and given that it is the most obvious ... intellectual capacity may in fact play a role.
There is a common thread between the long standing ideological battles between the "big 3" - Judaism, Islam, and Christianity. And that thread is the source of the problems ... and the foundation of it is the idea that "We are right, and everyone else is wrong":
1) Judaism - taking literally the references in the Old Testament to being "God's Chosen People" gives license to fundamentalist Jews to label everyone else as "goyim", placing themselves as superiors ... and goyim as inferior (this justifies all sorts of unacceptable behavior and treatment of others). If the "goyim" object ... they are labeled "anti-Semites" (racists). The obvious contradiction escapes these people, given that Judaism is more "bloodline" related than faith based. And those who are familiar with fundamental Judaism cannot deny that Jews have two sets of established standards regarding the treatment of others ... one set describes how a Jew must treat another Jew, and a separate one for how they may treat a non-Jew. This manifests in the obvious resentments of the non-Jews, as one should expect when labeled and treated as inferior beings.
2) Isalm - taking literally the references in the Quran that undeniably claims that all who are not Muslims are "infidels" or "non-believers", provides all the "moral authority" they require to impose their values on everyone else, in similar fashion to the above ... less race based insofar as their goal is to convert EVERYONE to Islam, but race based enough to declare that "true Muslims" must recite prayers in Arabic for the prayers to be valid. And the Quran is overflowing with commandments to convert or kill the non-believers. In fact the Quran contains numerous contradictory statements, which allows for such differing interpretations (as well as deceptions). What is not understood by most non-Muslims, as well as many Muslims is that these conflicts are resolved based on chronological order of such offerings by Muhammed.
Given that Islam is the testimony of one man in one lifetime (Muhammed) claiming to be the last words straight from God, provides a better understanding of the manner in which these contradictions are used to deceive. Muslim clerics universally recognize that if Muhammed said one thing ... and then later contradicted that ... it was not that Muhammed made an error, it was simply God who changed his mind on a matter, which God is certainly entitled to do. So, there are no real contradictions .. just God changing his mind, and the latter statements and commands supersede earlier ones.
When you follow the teachings of Islam, what you will find is that chronologically, these teachings become less and less "peaceful" and more militant as time went on. (the exact opposite of what you will find taking place in the Old and New Testaments). And this is perfectly understood by non-Muslim scholars to coincide with Muhammed's expanding power base in those days. Early, when Muhammed was relatively weak, his teachings were very "peaceful" (for obvious reasons), though as Muhammed's power expanded, his teachings became much more militant to coincide with his ability to successfully impose such militancy by force. (Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely).
This explains why many Muslims believe in the peacefulness of Islam, and cite passages from the Quran to support those claims. Yet, the fundamentalists (which includes most of Islam's religious hierarchy and leadership) understand and accept the fact that the latter passages in the Quran are the operative commands of God, with the earlier passages of peace being superseded. Of course, this misunderstanding (by the infidels) is viewed by the fundamentalists as a very useful tool for deceiving the enemy in the furtherance of the agenda. And of course, the tried and true method of defeating dissenters by labeling them racists is the most popular means of discrediting them. For the Jew, it is the anti-semite label, and for the Muslim, it is "Islamophobia". How convenient .. and how similar.
3) Christianity - based on the New Testament believes that the only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ, and that all who do not accept Jesus will go to hell. The more primitive and ancient sects of Christianity took it upon themselves to convert everyone (in order to save their souls) by whatever means necessary, be it missionary work, violence, coercion, and torture, closely mirroring Islam as is still practiced today. Modern day Christianity, on the other hand, still believes the same fundamental premise that the only way to heaven is through Jesus, but they've adopted the philosophy that those who refuse to follow Jesus, will suffer the consequences at the hand of God, and not them. They still accept the responsibility to spread the "gospel" but are under no obligation to impose such acceptance by force or decree of law.
This is what separates fundamentalist Christians from Islamic fundamentalists, and why the Islamics pose such greater dangers than their more passive ideologues in Christianity.
The fundamentalist Christians are not so less dogmatic than their counterparts in Islam ... they just don't claim the authority to impose their beliefs under the threat of violence and death any longer. They used to do so, and such behavior was soundly rejected, which caused Christianity to become more civil, thereby ensuring it's own survival.
The Islamists seem to have no desire to become more civil, and are willing to fight to the last man in the furtherance of their agenda for domination.
This can be clearly witnessed by observing and comparing Islam and how it functions based on their relative power within any particular society. In societies for which they are an extreme minority, their militancy is carefully concealed. In societies which they find themselves the majority, the increased militancy is easily recognized .... with the ultimate goal of Islamic totalitarian rule with the establishment of an "Islamic State".
The bottom line here is that those who fall for this VERY OLD PLOY of the racism claim ... be it "Islamophobia" or other similar tactics, demonstrate their ignorance, and in many cases, shear stupidity given the very obvious and elementary nature of the fraud.
Islam as practiced today mirrors it's own creation over 1400 years ago. Where Muslims make up a minority and enjoy little actual power, they promote a message of peace and tolerance as they try to separate themselves from their more militant cousins. They do this as a means of deception, concealing their agenda until such time as they attain the power to impose their way of life on everyone else, as they have ALWAYS done and continue to do today in places all around the globe.
The fundamental message of the Quran is that there can be no true peace in the world until all the world accepts Islam as a way of life ... then there will be peace. And this is why even the fundamentalists claim Islam is a religion of peace.
Consequently, you have no basis for calling into question ANYONE'S intellectual capacity, given your personal inability or refusal to grasp these basic truths.
You do realize that Islam has about 1.57 Billion followers? Thats a full 23% of the world's population. That is a h*ll of a lot of people to blame for the actions of a handfull of individuals. Don't ya think?
The real question is ... do you think?
And the answer to that is ... not very much. As the old saying goes, "thinking is hard work, and that's why so few do it".
Over half of the 1.2 Billion Muslims are fundamentalists .. (not terrorists). And that is according to their own claims ... which I imagine the percentage to be much larger ... but 600 Million fundamentalists is surely enough to be concerned about ... don't you think?
You see, this isn't about a few terrorists flying planes into buildings ... this is about a VERY LARGE GROUP of people who embrace Islam in all it's totalitarian glory, and wish to see their system imposed on the rest of the world's people.
And the answer to that is ... not very much. As the old saying goes, "thinking is hard work, and that's why so few do it".
Over half of the 1.2 Billion Muslims are fundamentalists .. (not terrorists). And that is according to their own claims ... which I imagine the percentage to be much larger ... but 600 Million fundamentalists is surely enough to be concerned about ... don't you think?
You see, this isn't about a few terrorists flying planes into buildings ... this is about a VERY LARGE GROUP of people who embrace Islam in all it's totalitarian glory, and wish to see their system imposed on the rest of the world's people.
You do realize that Islam has about 1.57 Billion followers? Thats a full 23% of the world's population. That is a h*ll of a lot of people to blame for the actions of a handfull of individuals. Don't ya think?
So you even missed the point.
One more time.
99.9% of terrorist have been Muslims.
I NEVER blamed them all.
Read my damn post and try to understand it before posting again.
Your putting words into your own head.
Did you miss the analogy of how liberals think also? Bet it whizzed right by you didnt it?
I do get that. I just believe that America had no idea what it was dealing with using militant Islam for any type of gain against Communism or anyone else.
GuyNTexas explains very succinctly what we did not know or come to recognize in the past.
No, they knew exactly what they were doing. You do not willingly, consciously, knowingly create a jihad in a stumbling dingbat manner which somehow excuses them. They are not excused.
First, I never realized Canada had a Tea Party. Second, the U.S. Tea Party is not engaged in a war on terrorism, other than progressive socialism.
And Islam is more than just a religion. It is a religion (with) politics (with) culture. You don't get to choose the part you like. You is or you is not. Not very american, certainly not constitutional.
Look ... in a civilized society, every human being is responsible for their own behavior, and must be held accountable for it ... not understood or excused because their mother didn't hold them enough when they were young, or whatever.
It is certainly true that young impressionable minds can be corrupted, and such is an ongoing process around the world in the myriad of Islamic indoctrination centers (otherwise referred to as Mosques) for which the apologists seem to want to deny is taking place.
So what you are really saying is, hands off the corruptors, and lets try to reason with the corrupted and uncorrupt them? Do you have any idea of how ridiculous this is? The fact is, you can not reason with an unreasonable mind .. their unreasonable behavior is evidence of their rejection of reason to begin with. No, you have to address the problem at the source, and that source is Islam, and the proper course is the rejection of it, not tolerating it.
These Islamic zealots who preach hatred are the core of the problem, and they will always have a plentiful supply of the disenfranchised to corrupt. And they are beyond reasoning with. They are stedfast in their beliefs which offers no room for compromise, and contrary to the false claims to the contrary, the militancy exists at the heart of Islam itself ... and not an anomaly represented by a few, as they would like you to believe.
The depth of the logical fallacies in this statement is beyond reason. First, Glen Beck is just another mainstream media talking head ... and has nothing to do with the "Tea Party".
Secondly, the Tea Party core principle is for non intervention in other countries, and a return to constitutional government that acts upon the will of the people and not the bankers and corporations that thrive and profit from "Blowing them up and let God sort them out". So your statement here, like the rest, just shows how utterly clueless you are about the topics being discussed.
To explain to you that which you obviously can't figure out is this ... the war on "Terror" is like the war on drugs. You cannot win such a war with the strategy that you go after the drug users and either lock them up or "rehabilitate" them, while leaving the source of the drugs unmolested. Of course this is simplifying the issue because the reality is, right now, we have US Soldiers in Afghanistan protecting the poppy fields ... so the war on drugs is in reality the exact same fraud as the war on terrorism.
There are no efforts to fight the source of terrorism ... that being the religious fanatics that preach hatred and violence because THEY are our friends ... read: Saudi Arabia as a classic example. And why is that? Because there is no desire to defeat terrorism .... when there is so much money to be made fighting it. In the eyes of the powers that be, terrorism is just a good excuse to invade countries, blow up crap and take valuable resources. The "terrorists" are simply a good excuse for that, therefore there is no desire to eliminate the source. Saudi Arabia is the home of the most radical forms of Islamic fundamentalists, and they pump the radicals out of these Saudi Madrases like a freaking Chinese widget factory. The more the better.
These "terrorists" are nothing more than useful idiots being used to scare the other useful idiots in to submission and government control. Governments around the world, including the US, and particularly the intelligence services of these countries are the true source of terrorism, and not some buffoon hiding in a cave in Afghanistan.
Until you realize that, you're playing the fool in a game which relies on fools to exist.
Oh, look, we know that the problem is over who owns the oil and the whole proxy wars and I'm betting you know that the Saudi Princes leave the country to have sex and gamble and do what the hell. And we know that there are larger countries with a stake.................and then you say, but let's not deal with any of that. Let's go after Islam.
Way to completely and totally not deal with the damn problem.
Originally Posted by Sunny-Days90 99.9% of all terrorist have been Muslim radicals.
Why shouldn't we stereotype that group when 99.9% of the terrorist have ALL been of Muslim faith.
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Originally Posted by Pamky
Because muslim terrorists are only a small % of all muslims!!!!!!
But it's the militant Muslims, the ones described as terrorists that control the Mosques and impose the law of Islam.
And a perfect follow up to your previous posts lacking an iota of truth ... with this lacking an iota of substance.
Really? Sounds like you gave an extended reply to my first post and had no idea that I had written the second post and then tried to cya in the following posts.
Look ... in a civilized society, every human being is responsible for their own behavior, and must be held accountable for it ... not understood or excused because their mother didn't hold them enough when they were young, or whatever.
These "terrorists" are nothing more than useful idiots being used to scare the other useful idiots in to submission and government control. Governments around the world, including the US, and particularly the intelligence services of these countries are the true source of terrorism, and not some buffoon hiding in a cave in Afghanistan.
Until you realize that, you're playing the fool in a game which relies on fools to exist.
I can't rep you again today but thanks for an excellent explanation supporting my opinion that chances are slim to none that intervention would be possible.
I wish I knew what the better solution might be--there are days that mass destruction sounds like the only option. I know I remain unconvinced that the potential for serious harm isn't already present in the US.
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