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Old 08-31-2010, 08:34 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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states that don't allow interracial marriage? on what planet? slavery was like 5000 years ago. come on, it's 2010. not really here to discuss the slaves that built the pyramids.
I see. So it if didn't happen in your short lifetime then it doesn't matter? And for the record, just last year a Justice of the Peace refused to marry an interracial couple, thought he had the right to do that. He found out differently when he was asked to resign.
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Old 08-31-2010, 08:52 AM
 
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I love how the OP quickly tries to dismiss anyone who brings up racist laws from the recent past that still have an impact today. But I guess that's what we can expect from someone who is just trying to find a soap box for his point of view rather than open up an actual discussion.

Those of us who educate ourselves on our current past aren't living in it but are instead making ourselves aware of why things are the way that they are today. There are "racial" tensions in this country because this country has a history of oppression based on the color of one's skin or based on the difference in cultures.

Social Security was put in place to help mostly the elderly but also to help the destitute. Anyone who knows their history, however, can tell you that it was not originaly meant to be a permanent fix for those people. You can't have a system that promises free money without it being exploited but we also can't have a pure capitalist system or people will be forced to step outside the law in order to make money.

Social programs should focus on education rather than giving a hand out. I don't mean college educations either. There should be more programs that teach trades and money management so that we can get as many people working and paying taxes as possible and lower the number of people who are living on credit. Or better still, we should refurbish the public education system and start focusing on our children instead of on our teachers.

We should also force our prissoners to take classes (both academic and in trades) while encarcerated rather than give them a choice so that they are more likely to become productive citizens when they get out.

And by the way, I don't really see anything wrong with supporting the super rich as long as we don't do it to the point where we turn a blind eye to their unethical behavior (if they behave that way). After all, it's the super rich who employ us (by which I mean me) working stiffs.

But, in answer to the original question, yes a law can be "racist". There are plenty of laws that are discriminatory based on skin color, cultural and religious beliefs, gender and age the world over. Just because the law makers of this country have to be more clever and make ambiguous laws that can be used in a discriminatory fashion doesn't mean that other countries' governments do the same.
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Old 08-31-2010, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Yes, Affirmative Action laws are racist.
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Old 08-31-2010, 09:39 AM
 
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Yes, Affirmative Action laws are racist.
good answer
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Old 08-31-2010, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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The internment of Japanese was not based upon RACE but upon whom we were at war against during WWII. If you will recall your history Italians and Germans were also sent to US Government internment camps.
Not unless there was probable cause. The neighborhood I grew up in was so German you had to understand it to see a movie, no one was sent to camp. Germans and Italians were NOT interned just because of their nationality like Japanese were
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Old 08-31-2010, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Yes, Affirmative Action laws are racist.
When the University of California did away with Affirmative Action Admission, who benefited (hint: it wasn't whites)?
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Old 08-31-2010, 11:49 AM
 
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why do people think that laws are racist. I have heard some lefties say that conservatives don't care about minorities, because they want to cut social programs. um, are you assuming that only minorities are using social programs? if so, who is the racist? why is it that cutting off funding for social programs is viewed as conservatives not caring about minorities?
No, a law cannot be racist, the person who makes or enforces the law can be.
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Old 08-31-2010, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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I'm sorry you choose to live in the past.
SB1070, When the Judge Enjoined the parts of the law concernining Mexicans the State just went away sulking without arresting a single employer for hiring them. I guess if they can't fill up Sherriff Joes Camps with Mexicans why bother

ARBEIT MACHT FREI
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Old 08-31-2010, 11:52 AM
 
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I see. So it if didn't happen in your short lifetime then it doesn't matter? And for the record, just last year a Justice of the Peace refused to marry an interracial couple, thought he had the right to do that. He found out differently when he was asked to resign.
You have to realize that in many cases White Americans are totally insensitive to the history of racial injustice, and what Black Americans experience on a day to day. They don't know and they don't care to know.

Often they are of the opinion of what happens in the past doesn't matter. When in fact EVERYTHING that is going on in the world today in predicated on history and past events.
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Old 08-31-2010, 12:12 PM
 
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why do people think that laws are racist. I have heard some lefties say that conservatives don't care about minorities, because they want to cut social programs. um, are you assuming that only minorities are using social programs? if so, who is the racist? why is it that cutting off funding for social programs is viewed as conservatives not caring about minorities?

When can a law be racist? When it targets a race specifically and states that those elements are unlawful.

Those who claim that requiring strict loan practices or hiring practices discriminates against a certain race, well... the problem there is not with the practice, the restrictions, or the law, but the position that claims ALL minorities are such.

This is the most devious form of racism in existence. Why? Because it requires the person making the argument to acknowledge that race itself has certain deficiencies.

Can anyone with an honest bone in their body actually claim such without generalizing?

We know who the true racists are, and they aren't the ones proclaiming themselves to act in the name of their protection.
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