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Old 09-04-2010, 10:10 AM
 
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From the Christian Science Monitor, "The Justice Department lawsuit does not deal with 287(g) explicitly, but is looking into the allegations that the sheriff's office uses racial profiling during its sweeps to find and detain illegal immigrants."

Does anyone ever ask dark skinned legal Mexican-Americans how they feel about Arpaio or the new law? No. Doesn't anybody find that a bit interesting?
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Old 09-04-2010, 10:16 AM
 
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It comes down to karma. Arpaio is an ugly man whose days of fame are over. Arizona is reaping what it sowed and some big changes are coming. Brewer has proven to be a nitwit and Arpaio's tyranny is coming to an end. Good riddance to both of them.
Tyranny is in the eye of the beholder. Many citizens in Arizona may consider the White House flexing its muscle and bringing down its power solely upon the state of Arizona for attempting to enforce current immigration law as tyranny.

Those politicians who have prostututes themselves to the illegal population for Latino votes are forcing American citizens to reap what THEY have sown. The violence perpatrated by drg smugglers and human traffickers. A huge Latino gang population in our prisons. Repeat border jumpers who have been previously deported after committing felony crimes continue their predatory crimes all across the country.

My city, in the middle of the US, just had destruction of property (tagging) and a fight between LA latino gang members. Arrests were made, guns illegally possesed were found, drivers without licenses or insurance, and at least one had been deported previously.

Tyranny can also be the invasion and disrespect for our laws by non-citizens.

I applaude and respect those Sheriffs in Arizona and nationwide who put their lives on the line everyday arresting illegal aliens because the Federal government not only refuses to uphold the law but uses its strong arm to keep the states from doing the same.

Of course, those who are in this country illegally or who have been accomplices in helping others in breaking the law will most certainly hold another opinion and argue for open borders and against the enforcement of our immigration laws.

Stand WITH Arizona as this is the battle of all the states against a tyrannical federal government. NO AMNESTY!
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Old 09-04-2010, 10:19 AM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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I guess when the government officials who are doing the "unconstitutional searches and seizures" are redneck racists, big brother is all hunky dory for republicans. And it's time for some "outrage" when it's time to actually make sure that constitutional rights are not being infringed upon.
Sheriff Joe and his department have not infringed upon anyone's Constitutional rights as stated by ICE after a year and a half of investigation. Read the article. He and his deputies received high marks from Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

It behooves no one to paint all members of any political party with the same broad brush. Regardless of your political affiliation, your Constitutional rights are slowly fading into history. Rather than indulging in name-calling, perhaps you should do a little research into who or what is actually impeding the Constitutional rights of all Americans, and what you can do to stop it.
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Old 09-04-2010, 10:27 AM
 
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Oh, was it Joe that beat him to death or was it other inmates, maybe some crooked corrections officers? There are cases like this all over the US. The facts are that jail conditions in the US are the best in the world.

Most of the 2000 plus suits are because they find their conditions harsh. I have a solution to all their problems, DON'T GET ARRESTED! Better yet, don't committ any criminal acts period, if you do that you will stay out of jail.

Jail is supposed to SUCK!
Great, then you will have no problem backing up that underlined sentence. In fact, I will go extra easy. I'm not going to ask you to compare the US jails to the third world countries. Just those in the Western world. You should have no problem. Bring it. Put up. It's on. Let's go.

To be fair, since state mental health facilities have been shut down and the general public has not deemed it important enough to fund alternatives there has been an extraordinarly amount of what is lovingly known as bat **** crazy come through the door. The GP, that be you, hasn't managed to figure this out for approximately 40 years. So, about that dumbing down America thing.....

No, wait, where was I? Pardon me for my tangent on something that you should have learned between 7th and 9th grade. Old school: would have called this junior high.

And, now, this is where I get pissy. It doesn't matter how you feel. I don't care if you like to pick and choose which section of the incorporated Bill of Rights (AKA Federal Limitations) applies to you vs which section applies to everyone else. In fact, the message that I am getting from you is that the law applies to everyone else BUT you. If you were arrested, it might be a "special" case. The funny thing is, this is where you find out exactly who is for sale and your buddy is and precisely how jacked you are. NOW, you are acutely aware of everything that you are and are not. You are no longer in control of anything. Now......wait to get processed. All of the crap that you take for granted is gone. That real estate lawyer that you have, doesn't deal with criminal cases. Oh, you will get a public defender if the economics fit, one will be appointed to you. An underpaid, overworked fellow that knows that he/she will not be paid for the time spent AND you just happen to be case number 74 or, better yet, you can get one with absolutely NO EXPERIENCE and is just trying to get some. And they walk like your automatically guilty because HEY----YOU WERE ARRESTED. But if you can afford an attorney then all of a sudden you become acutely aware of what is called: BILLING TIME. It costs to file. It does, it does. When they go to get your police report, it does cost. You want the police report, because there are two sides to every story and you can bank that the law ain't tellin' yours.

Why would law enforcement ever tell a different story?

Liability, baby. Probable cause. LIABILITY.

Both Grand and Tin can attest to the fact that documentation is everything. Arpaio knew by 2002 that the medical department needed to have a database. I might be wrong here, but, to the best of my knowledge, Arpaio refused to allocate the funding.

You see, the GP, that be you, did not want to fund a 24 hour nurse or a 24 hour therapist. And if you did, you still wouldn't fund the available wo/man power to transport to said facility. You , the GP, wanted the McDonalized version of LE and corrections. dumb asses. You, the GP, also haven't wanted to fund a higher educational standard of DO's or CO's. Or Cops. that is tellin'. Which reminds me,

remember that time that Arpaio decided to cut costs, and refused to transport inmates to court? That didn't last long did it. Why is that?

Although, I don't know how much education that you need that stipulates: DON'T put a blanket over someone's head and taser them over 7 times and then shoot paint guns at them or suffocate them. Where are you at that you need to be educated? Just saying.

You DO NOT ever deny medical attention. EVER. Arpaio made a big thing about how he wasn't going to transport for a woman to have an abortion. Well, he doesn't have to. He has decided that he will kill the babies (said because the mother expected to have them) on site. You do not take a person that has been in the system several times and should be pulled up on the database as a diabetic and not feed them for 48 hours. You do not refuse to give someone, EVER, medication for siezures. WTF are you thinking? It is a lawsuit. You never jack with someone that is known to be mentally ill. EVER. Was this person suicidal and when did you know? It is liability. This is basic, 101 crap.

Tell the truth Tin, when 8 or 9 incident reports are kicked in and they are identical, it means that something is being hidden. And....your position is much better. Or so you hope, otherwise the 8 or 9 reports wouldn't be identical. TELL THE TRUTH GRANDDAD, had county not been trying to ride the coat tails of his popularity, he would have gone some time ago. It is only imporatant that they separate themselves now because they know he is unpopular and EXPENSIVE. And all by its little lonesome, has nothing to do with Latino's. That is aside from his knowingly, willingly, adamantly brown skin, z in the name crap.

The ONLY reason that people like him is because they "think" that he is doing something about immigration. He isn't.It is the perception. And people need a vizual right now, in a one man form, because they be do not have the balls to go against the corps. Pima County does more with less. Why? Becasue it's closer to the border. But this makes for a pretty game.

The GP, that means you, forgets, that we have 25 tribes, and what useed to be Mexico, in the desert.................are all browned skinned, honey. What the hell were you thinkin'? There is also a ME and Indian population here. Indians from India, and Arabic and such. You just don't have the balls to against those that hire. And the people that are elected make sure you don't. It is a farce.


My bad, tangent. But if you want to play bring something more to the table than how you "feel".,I'm ready. My senior judge, would shut you down. Ain't no game. Rule of Law, get some. Grow up.
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Old 09-04-2010, 10:27 AM
 
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Does anyone ever ask dark skinned legal Mexican-Americans how they feel about Arpaio or the new law? No. Doesn't anybody find that a bit interesting?
Not very often

The spot light has been on the illegals and the and the
liberal socialist's that also support Sanctuary Cities along
with Amnesty

If you look back not that long ago Arizona's issues with
ILLEGALS were present but not to the degree that they are today and two things have made it this way, (1) More ILLEGALS with shady pasts (2) Drain on our economy

In fact until the all of the ILLEGAL supporters started filling
their heads with nonsense for many years I've always thought that everyone got along, but now they made a choice and will have to live with the results of that

One thing that some Americans, and the bleeding hearts out there need to realize about ILLEGAL ALIENS....because they are not citizens THE CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS DO NOT APPLY TO THEM. They have no civil rights per se in this country. Non-citizens that are in this country are either guests that will eventually return to their home, or they are trespassers that need to be sent home. Our founding documents are not a blanket that covers anyone that sets their foot on our soil. How far is our government (and President) willing to push The People before the people push back
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Old 09-04-2010, 10:29 AM
 
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Those who support open borders an encourage/support illegal immigration are really nothing more than anarchists, IMO.
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Old 09-04-2010, 10:31 AM
 
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Those who support open borders an encourage/support illegal immigration are really nothing more than anarchists, IMO.
The second coming of the same old story

"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

- Norman Thomas, former U.S. Socialist Presidential Candidate
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Old 09-04-2010, 10:42 AM
 
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Those who support open borders an encourage/support illegal immigration are really nothing more than anarchists, IMO.
NO.

You act like this is an either or thing.

It isn't.

You pretnend that it is white or black. It isn't.

Damn. When this hit national stage, these were my relatives, my FAMILY, my people on the block. We have lived here for years and years and years. AND NOW, it fits your agenda.

We have 70 year old women that have never drove, that we drove to the grocery store or to get school supplies, or whatever, that were terriffied to leave the house.

OUR PEOPLE. OURS.


AND YOU MAY NOT TREAT THEM AS CRIMINALS.

I would never, NEVER, do that to you. Just out of respect. Nothing to do with rule of law. WHY WOULD YOU DO IT TO US ON AN ALLEGATION?
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Old 09-04-2010, 10:45 AM
 
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NO.

You act like this is an either or thing.

It isn't.

You pretnend that it is white or black. It isn't.

Damn. When this hit national stage, these were my relatives, my FAMILY, my people on the block. We have lived here for years and years and years. AND NOW, it fits your agenda.

We have 70 year old women that have never drove, that we drove to the grocery store or to get school supplies, or whatever, that were terriffied to leave the house.

OUR PEOPLE. OURS.


AND YOU MAY NOT TREAT THEM AS CRIMINALS.

I would never, NEVER, do that to you. Just out of respect. Nothing to do with rule of law. WHY WOULD YOU DO IT TO US ON AN ALLEGATION?
So you admit your family knowingly broke the US immigration laws, remained in the USA for years and years illegally, and yet you deny a crime was committed in so doing?
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Old 09-04-2010, 10:47 AM
 
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Because it is easier for you to penalize those not in power. You do not have the balls to go after those in power. It is an easy target. It doesn't matter if you strike blindly. And none of us want illegals. Which means that you don't really have an argument after that. You just placate yourself with the oppositionn being pro immigration. It is NOT.
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