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You people keep taking the debate beyond what it was intended to be.
Again, for the record, the United States had a sterilization program aimed at mental patients and violent criminals. It was not unconstitutional within its own rights, because felons have no rights under the constitution.
The reason it was repealed is because since only certain felons were sterilized, rather than all felons(such as white-collar criminals), then it was unequal. And that is what made our sterilization program unconstitutional. And the policy-makers refused to sterilize every single felon.
My question is simply, do you believe that the program as it was, had both good intentions and good results? Do you believe child molesters, rapists, murderers, and mental patients have the right to procreate?
They already don't have the right to own a gun, as well as many other restrictions.
Why is the ability to have children seen as a fundamental right? Especially seeing as the world is largely overpopulated, there are so many children in need of adoption and foster homes, and that a large swath of the public simply chooses to never have children at all.
Why is protecting a violent criminal's ability to pass on his bad genes deemed so important?
I don't think it's having the disabled child that is the badge of honor. It is raising the child to be the best they can be that is looked upon positively.
I don't know where you are getting this whole successful child is a bad thing from. I think most parents still hope that their child can go to the best college and get a high paying job.
Redshadowz, if it just ended with violence, I could almost agree with you, but you know that people would manipulate the policies for their own personal gain.
by the terrible harrassment that good students experience in k12. how to do i from friends who are teachers.
You people keep taking the debate beyond what it was intended to be.
Again, for the record, the United States had a sterilization program aimed at mental patients and violent criminals. It was not unconstitutional within its own rights, because felons have no rights under the constitution.
The reason it was repealed is because since only certain felons were sterilized, rather than all felons(such as white-collar criminals), then it was unequal.
My question is simply, do you believe that the program as it was, had both good intentions and good results? Do you believe child molesters, rapists, murderers, and mental patients have the right to procreate?
They already don't have the right to own a gun, as well as many other restrictions.
Why is the ability to have children seen as a fundamental right? Especially seeing as the world is largely overpopulated, there are so many children in need of adoption and foster homes, and that a large swath of the public simply chooses to never have children at all.
Why is protecting a violent criminal's ability to pass on his genes deemed so important?
how strange that the things we judged and sentenced & condemned the germans for at nuremberg , we now propose.
Huckleberry, your school must have been different than mine. I was both disabled and a high achiever and I didn't get much crap about it. Neither did my other friends who were in advanced classes and not disabled.
how strange that the things we judged and sentenced & condemned the germans for at nuremberg , we now propose.
The Germans did things that could hardly been justified by science. Their desire to exterminate the jews seems to me to be absolutely idiotic. And btw, the Germans actually copied our eugenics program. If it wasn't for the American Eugenics program, and anti-miscegenation laws, there might not have even been a Nazi Germany.
Like I said, these are things the United States has already done in the past. These things were sanctioned by some of our greatest political leaders. Approved by the masses.
The Germans hardly were condemned for sterilizing the mentally ill, the gays, criminals, the gypsies, the jews, or the deemed genetically inferior. The Germans were condemned for exterminating people and using others as lab rats in terrible experiments.
The Germans did things that could hardly been justified by science. Their desire to exterminate the jews seems to me to be absolutely idiotic. And btw, the Germans actually copied our eugenics program. If it wasn't for the American Eugenics program, and anti-miscegenation laws, there might not have even been a Nazi Germany.
Like I said, these are things the United States has already done in the past. These things were sanctioned by some of our greatest political leaders. Approved by the masses.
The Germans hardly were condemned for sterilizing the mentally ill, the gays, criminals, the gypsies, the jews, or the deemed genetically inferior. The Germans were condemned for exterminating people and using others as lab rats in terrible experiments.
the accusations against them and part of the evidence of their cruelty and unjust behavior was evidence of sterilizaton of the mentally handicapped.
this is a matter of record.
do you need links.
???
You people keep taking the debate beyond what it was intended to be.
Again, for the record, the United States had a sterilization program aimed at mental patients and violent criminals. It was not unconstitutional within its own rights, because felons have no rights under the constitution.
And you keep trying to over simplify a complex issue. For your information the sterilization programs of the 1920's had their roots in Eugenics which was a very politically and racially charged movement now considered a pseudo-science. Many people (estimated at around 100,000) in places like Appalachia were sterilized simply for having below average IQ scores. There was a strong racial and class elitism component to this movement and many, myself included, see it as a dark chapter in U.S. history.
the accusations against them and part of the evidence of their cruelty and unjust behavior was evidence of sterilizaton of the mentally handicapped.
this is a matter of record.
do you need links.
???
Actually I would love links, but really, I still agree with them. And honestly if we were complaining, we are pretty damn big hypocrites(not surprisingly), since we were doing the same thing.
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