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Old 09-09-2010, 08:31 PM
 
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I have compassion. I posted a link where there are literally thousands of jobs waiting to be filled. A handout is not compassion, it is enabling more unemployment. 99+ weeks of unemployment benefits is more compassion then taxpayers should have to hand out by the force of the government!

Here's the link again: TAKEOURJOBS.ORG

Lots of jobs here too: Job Search: Find a Job from Millions of Job Listings Online | Monster.com
That might be true about those farm jobs in some areas, but not where we live! We have no means of uprooting our family, renting (god forbid trying to sell our house) and then finding a place out where these farm jobs are!!
Also the biggest issue with that would be my husband's age--58!! Don't think they would be willing to hire someone that old.
And if you have tried to find a job these days, there is no more "pounding the pavement" like there was just 5 years ago!! Now, everyone asks you to submit application/resume on the internet. If you do happen to go to the place of business, they point you to a computer and tell you to submit your application via that computer. You have a snowball's chance in hades of getting to talk to an actual person, let alone someone in the HR dept.
My husband checks his search engines (monster.com, careerbuilder.com, the UE office here in town and a couple of job search engines for our state) every morning. He is doing his best, but considering his age, the chances are very slim.
He has had some phone interviews (notice the word "phone") for a few positions, but when they have discovered his age, no response is ever forthcoming.
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Old 09-09-2010, 08:34 PM
 
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But it's so much easier to omit that fact and simply blame Republicans for your failure to ram your agenda through.
Actually, if you look at the numbers, Dems don't have the actual majority. Since there are 2 Independents now, it legally makes no majority at all (at least in the Senate). And there weren't very many Dems yelling and filibustering the last extension of UEI benefits.
And to be very very technical, unemployment benefits are NOT free money. It is insurance against unemployment, same as house and car insurance.
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Old 09-09-2010, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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That might be true about those farm jobs in some areas, but not where we live! We have no means of uprooting our family, renting (god forbid trying to sell our house) and then finding a place out where these farm jobs are!!
Yet you thought THIS below was a terrific idea (your OWN words were they not?) but expect others to have empathy for YOUR situation?.....give me strength

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Well I for one think that the government should start a job/education training program, with the caveat that the people in the program would have to move into a central building where they are able to house and retrain people at the lowest cost to taxpayers. The people here would have to be self-sufficient on some levels and help each other find jobs and create new niches within the economy. Whenever I voice this idea people seem to think I'm some sort of Fascist. But I think to have people helping themselves and each other is the way to go. All they need is a kickstart and a communal place to pool their energies.
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Sounds like a terrific plan to me!! And it could work, however there are people in DC and elsewhere that will call this plan Fascist, Socialist and whatever else politically stupid name they can call it.
I guess this comes under the heading of one rule for "them" but another for "me", because "that's different" - right?
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Old 09-09-2010, 08:44 PM
 
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99% of all the unemployed are in your family's same situation. No one is going to take a pay cut. At least UB puts a roof over their heads and keeps their bellys full. What some people are forgetting is that all the 99er's are now on welfare. They are better off on welfare cause they get cash, food, medical, wic, etc and now the whole family has free medical insurance. So they can bitchh all they want because they are bitchin about the wrong program. We should all want the UB extensions to continue cause its costs alot less than welfare.
The only welfare assistance we receive is food stamps. We get about $375 a month!! This for a family of five! My youngest has the state insurance, but no one else is. I get Medicare because I am disabled, however, I have to pay for my Medicare Advantage Plan (which will cover more than Medicare along with my prescriptions). So out of my pitiful disability check, comes the cost of Medicare ($113.50 -I think that's the right amount), along with the $42.75 for my Medicare Advantage Plan.
So be careful about lumping everyone into the same pile of shyt!!! Not all families on unemployment receive all those welfare trappings you are spouting.
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Old 09-09-2010, 08:52 PM
 
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I agree with your post; however in my state when my husband applies for a job, it shows a chart of how many people have also applied for that job. That number is usually in the hundreds and sometimes in the thousands.
Also, there are times hiring managers will just throw out applications and/or resumes of a person who has either too much education, or too little education. And, although employers are not allowed to ask your age, they have tricks to get around that--asking when you graduated high school and of course, work experience.
Scooped off the computer screen and dumped in the recycle/waste bin!!
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Old 09-09-2010, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Hoosierville
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Until Congress comes up with 13 million jobs they should and will extend the UB beyond 99 weeks.
You can't possibly believe for a hot minute that the government can & should be in the job creating business, do you?

Government intervention does the exact opposite ... everything the government touches turns to muck.
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Old 09-09-2010, 09:36 PM
 
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The only welfare assistance we receive is food stamps. We get about $375 a month!! This for a family of five! My youngest has the state insurance, but no one else is. I get Medicare because I am disabled, however, I have to pay for my Medicare Advantage Plan (which will cover more than Medicare along with my prescriptions). So out of my pitiful disability check, comes the cost of Medicare ($113.50 -I think that's the right amount), along with the $42.75 for my Medicare Advantage Plan.
So be careful about lumping everyone into the same pile of shyt!!! Not all families on unemployment receive all those welfare trappings you are spouting.
A friend of mine, his neighbor, gets $800 food stamps and $800 cash and all 5 of her kids get free medical. He has seen her paperwork. She has no income, sounds like your family has income, thats the difference in the pile.
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Old 09-09-2010, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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That might be true about those farm jobs in some areas, but not where we live! We have no means of uprooting our family, renting (god forbid trying to sell our house) and then finding a place out where these farm jobs are!!
Yeah, a neighbor of mine who has been unemployed for 2 yrs says he would think hard and long before relocating, as this has been his 2nd lay-off in the past 5-6 years. There is no point in uprooting your family, trying to sell a house, etc, just to get laid off in a strange town.
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Old 09-09-2010, 11:45 PM
 
Location: state of procrastination
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You are completely ignoring that many companies such as fast food restaurants will not hire people they consider overqualified.

Do you not think the PhDs and MS can do this w/o some sort of "retraining"? Do you really think that a PhD is so dumb s/he can't learn another similar profession w/o going to some "retraining" session run by ??

The physicists that I know who have been laid off, both >2 yrs now, were not working in physics but in other tech professions.

The problem is not lack of training, it's lack of jobs. It's hard in high tech to take a lesser paying job; some employers simply will not look at you. This is not the applicant's fault; it's due to the bias of the hiring person.
I have a science PhD and I would need to be retrained to go into another profession. A PhD is highly specialized training and does not imply that one is more adaptable than another person. It's not as if I am so stupid I can't learn another skill, but if I had 2 kids and no cash I could benefit from getting a break (cheap, communal living and child care) and spend time learning/retraining.

There are lack of jobs, sure... worse in certain sectors than others. What if they were to retrain for medical physics? Taking care of the ailing generation? I don't have any friends who have remained unemployed in the science, tech, and medical sector. These are jobs that take training or adaptation. Now if people who have no previous training would want to get into technology fields, they can definitely benefit from retraining. Your MS's are the exception to the case (and they certainly get less overqualification discrimination than the PhDs do).

There are always labor forces needed around the country for fixing broken infrastructure (that would lead to much more costly problems later on) and other such random things. There could be a whole new environmental clean-up and renewable energy sector so that in 20 years we won't have to rely on foreign sources. The trick is in where we invest this labor to benefit everyone in the long-run.

The alternative is to have people sit on their asses waiting for magical jobs to come to them... wasting manpower by the hour!!! While China is cranking out tons of infrastructure and new technologies. Anyways this is just an idea... still need to think about the logistics some more.

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Old 09-09-2010, 11:47 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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under Obama and the Dims, American's 401(k)'s have turned into 101(k)s
and the economy in Chicago and New York City are so bad, the Mafia had to lay-off 2 Judges and a Congressman....
Are you kidding? The 401ks got GUTTED under Bush when the DOW went from 14k to 7500 almost overnight.
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