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Old 09-06-2010, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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I remember in the 1980s when GM closed plants in the US and built them in Mexico where the workers could be paid slave wages.
All one needs to do is take a look at how the unions are devastating state budgets with the lavish benefits, pay, pensions and health care. They have already destroyed the manufacturing base of the US with their burdensome costs to business.
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Old 09-06-2010, 06:20 PM
 
Location: On Top
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All one needs to do is take a look at how the unions are devastating state budgets with the lavish benefits, pay, pensions and health care. They have already destroyed the manufacturing base of the US with their burdensome costs to business.
^ Total unadulterated rubbish....
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Old 09-06-2010, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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Protect the unions at all costs. That's Obama's mantra. Who cares that they put out an overpriced crap product that nobody wants to buy. Those unions got to keep their pensions, salaries, and bennies while the rest of us took paycuts, hour cuts, and sometimes job cuts too!

Sing with me now... Oh-BAHHH-MAAAA, Oh-BAHHH-MAAAA, Oh-BAHHH-MAAAA
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Old 09-06-2010, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Land of debt and Corruption
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^ Total unadulterated rubbish....
You may want to read up on why Chicago is losing MILLIONS in revenue as trade shows opt out of returning to McCormick Place in lieu of convention centers in cities that aren't controlled by unions.
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Old 09-06-2010, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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For all the talk of destroying the U.S.A., one might consider the consequences of an enraged public that tears down the politicians and their controllers, voids the national debt, and tosses out all the taxpayer funded goodies, pensions, and entitlement programs.

I think we may have to have a national contest to replace names for all those "monuments" to "public servants" (clever thieves and scoundrels), who spent with reckless abandon.
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Old 09-06-2010, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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^ Total unadulterated rubbish....
Are state budgets, NJ, CA, NY, etc,etc, NOT drowning in a sea of red ink due to lavish, out of touch contractual obligations to the unions?

Why, yes they are.
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Old 09-06-2010, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Nothing like a blog post that has comments like "the people said" and "one person said". Who were they (the bloggers) talking to, while looking in the mirror?

The government (and the union) are sideline players in the IPO. It's all up to the GM financial team and Wall Street underwritters (The Big 6 investment banks).
I thought that was how all mainstream journalists talk now. When the journalists at NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC etc... use the phrase "some people say...." it allows them to insert their own personal bias as part of the story, and its okay, because after all, they are "some people" too.
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Old 09-06-2010, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Are state budgets, NJ, CA, NY, etc,etc, NOT drowning in a sea of red ink due to lavish, out of touch contractual obligations to the unions?

Why, yes they are.
Ca-lee-for-knee-uh, is in the red to their state's public employees union for $500 billion.

The state of California's real unfunded pension debt clocks in at more than $500 billion, nearly eight times greater than officially reported.

That's the finding from a study released Monday by Stanford University's public policy program, confirming a recent report with similar, stunning findings from Northwestern University and the University of Chicago.

California's $500-billion pension time bomb - Los Angeles Times
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Old 09-06-2010, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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All one needs to do is take a look at how the unions are devastating state budgets with the lavish benefits, pay, pensions and health care. They have already destroyed the manufacturing base of the US with their burdensome costs to business.
So you support slave wages without benefits here in America?
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Old 09-06-2010, 10:35 PM
 
Location: it depends
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So you support slave wages without benefits here in America?
You get paid what you are worth. If you don't like the deal, go ahead and get a better job. If there are no better jobs, you better find a way to make yourself more valuable to the rest of us...or unleash your potential as an entrepreneur. One way or another, if you want to make more money you have to find a way to become more valuable to your employer.

Although there are exceptions, the modern history of unionism in America is about work rules that destroy productivity and reduce the value of an employee to an employer. This is totally counter-productive.
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