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Old 09-06-2010, 09:22 AM
 
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Since this is very true it is time for all the rest of us to take a look at past history to see where it happened before and what the outcomes were. Here is what a German says about what happened in Hitler Germany and other nations in the 20th century.

It is past time for us in the United States to awaken to some real facts or we will find the world as we know it coming to an end with the others.

Why the Peaceful Majority is Irrelevant - Op-Eds - Israel National News
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Old 09-06-2010, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Since this is very true it is time for all the rest of us to take a look at past history to see where it happened before and what the outcomes were. Here is what a German says about what happened in Hitler Germany and other nations in the 20th century.

It is past time for us in the United States to awaken to some real facts or we will find the world as we know it coming to an end with the others.

Why the Peaceful Majority is Irrelevant - Op-Eds - Israel National News

Selective memory. (and you as a teacher should know this)

Just about every place mentioned was a former colony of someone from the west. And very few were created on peace and prosperity for the majority.

(I didn't want to list them all........)
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikiped...opean_colonies

Of course the west had nothing but good intentions......that's is why we've been engaged in nation building.
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Old 09-06-2010, 09:49 AM
 
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Since this is very true it is time for all the rest of us to take a look at past history to see where it happened before and what the outcomes were. Here is what a German says about what happened in Hitler Germany and other nations in the 20th century.

It is past time for us in the United States to awaken to some real facts or we will find the world as we know it coming to an end with the others.

Why the Peaceful Majority is Irrelevant - Op-Eds - Israel National News
The Israelis are going to have to at one point pay and pay dearly for removing Palestinians from their lands when they created Israel, as well as, the long term denial of human rights for Palestinians. As long as they refuse to do so their country will remain essentially an armed camp. There will be no peace until there is justice for the Palestinian people.
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Old 09-06-2010, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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The Israelis are going to have to at one point pay and pay dearly for removing Palestinians from their lands when they created Israel, as well as, the long term denial of human rights for Palestinians. As long as they refuse to do so their country will remain essentially an armed camp. There will be no peace until there is justice for the Palestinian people.

The Palestinian people have made the choice to side with those who find them nothing more then dirt to walk over. If the nations around Israel wanted, 50 years ago, they could have taken them in (their numbers were small then). They didn't. Even if they get a homeland, it will quickly evaporate without Israels defense.
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Old 09-06-2010, 10:19 AM
 
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The Palestinian people have made the choice to side with those who find them nothing more then dirt to walk over. If the nations around Israel wanted, 50 years ago, they could have taken them in (their numbers were small then). They didn't. Even if they get a homeland, it will quickly evaporate without Israels defense.
The Palestinians don't need Israel to defend them. They need to be defended from Israeli oppression.
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Old 09-06-2010, 10:21 AM
 
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The Israelis are going to have to at one point pay and pay dearly for removing Palestinians from their lands when they created Israel, as well as, the long term denial of human rights for Palestinians. As long as they refuse to do so their country will remain essentially an armed camp. There will be no peace until there is justice for the Palestinian people.
Yet Muslims from all over the world are removing themselves from their lands to relocate to the West and everywhere. If the Palestinians have to be put back then let's agree to put all Muslims back on their original lands, and that means all the Arabs the live in Pakistan, give Pakistan back to the Hindus, reunify India, and remove all Arabs from Africa and return the African nations back to the non-Muslims.
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Old 09-06-2010, 11:15 AM
 
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Always disconcerting for the kool-aid bunch when bringing out the reality of a situation:


Geography of Israel-Palestine. Maps Don't Lie!

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Old 09-06-2010, 11:18 AM
 
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Justice for the Palestinians would mean pushing them in to the sea. I am not an advocate of justice for Palestine, but do think that they need to either agree to live with Israel and the Jews, or need to face justice - i.e. annihilation.
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Old 09-06-2010, 11:41 AM
 
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Since this is very true it is time for all the rest of us to take a look at past history to see where it happened before and what the outcomes were. Here is what a German says about what happened in Hitler Germany and other nations in the 20th century.

It is past time for us in the United States to awaken to some real facts or we will find the world as we know it coming to an end with the others.

Why the Peaceful Majority is Irrelevant - Op-Eds - Israel National News
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/12/29/95697.html

Millions of Indian Muslims Protest Terrorism, Surrender Holiday Spirit: Media Silent | MarcGopin.com

The majority in Germany weren't peaceful, they followed their leaders to oblivion. Many who protested the Nazi's were rounded up and shot. That isn't happening in the Muslim world, and this blatant hatred of an entire religious organization because of the acts of a few lone idiots is insane.

I have posted, several times now, radical Christian groups doing terrible things to people, or plotting to do them. That makes Christianity no different than Islam in the regard that some radical elements will try and use their faith in a manner which most deem unsuitable.
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Old 09-06-2010, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Buffalo, trying to leave
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this blatant hatred of an entire religious organization because of the acts of a few lone idiots is insane.
PUH-LEASE. These "lone idiots" have massive support in the Muslim community. As a matter of fact, Pew did a survey, allow me to present a few statistics:

15% of American Muslims have POSITIVE view of al Qaeda, 8% of American Muslims believe that suicide bombings are justified. (these are both on page 5)

46% of Nigerian Muslims believe that civilians should be targeted, 17% of Turkish Muslims, 16% of French Muslims, 14% of Paki Muslims, 28% of Egyptian Muslims (page 55)

23% of Muslims in the US under 30 years old support al Qaeda.

17% of Palestinians believe that they can live with Israel (what's the alternative?) (page 56)

http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf

Even though the support for al Qaeda amongst American Muslims is relatively low (15%), it's high enough to know that Islam is an evil "religion" and should be treated the same we treat fringe, and extremely violent movements such as the neo-Nazis, and Skinheads.

We should profile every MUSLIM who wants to get a plane, a train, or a bus, because about 1/8 believe that al Qaeda is a generally good organization, which means that they are disposed to all levels of support for terrorism.

You could argue that this is unfair for the 7/8 American Muslims who either don't support al Qaeda, or don't admit it, but if 1/8 Catholics believed that it was acceptable to bomb civilian targets, you can bet I would support searching as many Catholics as feasible.

Muslims support terrorism. We can learn this fact and treat, or we can wait until one of this "misunderstanders of Islam" blows up another 3000 "infidels."

Muslims cheer over the ruins of the WTC each day. They treat it as their greatest success. We need to treat them as the terrorists that they are. This does not mean vigilantism, it means that we need legal and Constitution policy that allows the police and other law enforcement the right to properly search and find the 1/8 of US Muslims who want to kill civilians.
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