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Old 09-08-2010, 11:30 AM
 
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Originally Posted by independentsucka View Post
jesus. can you post a video that's at least mildly entertaining? these people are as about as creative as my index finger. yes, they make things in china. did that really deserve a big uncreative video?
And the substantive point of your rant is...?

And if its not entertaining, why are you watching this video and thread, going on two days now
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Old 09-08-2010, 12:01 PM
 
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There is already campaign donations from the unions''

unlimited campaign donations by non-profits does not equate to unlimited campaign donations by for-profits...

Clean elections would be Publicly Financed:

"It makes elections about voters and not lobbyists and campaign donors."

http://www.publicampaign.org/clean-facts (broken link)
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Old 09-08-2010, 01:24 PM
 
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That's just about the lamest argument I've ever seen on C-D, and that's saying something.

You still didn't address my point. If a business is nothing more than "property," then it cannot be taxed.

Your home is not responsible for paying the property taxes assessed on its value, you are. The items you buy with your income are not responsible for paying the sales tax on those purchases or the income tax on the funds used to buy them. You, the property owner, are responsible for those taxes. If you want tax dollars from businesses, not just their owners, then you must also accept that they have the right to have a say in who their elected representatives are.

You can't have it both ways.
Taxing corporate property does not instantly make a corporation a "person" with "rights". Every CEO and shareholder already HAS Constitutional rights (the American citizens, that is). What you are talking about is giving corporations EXTRA privileges with unlimited corporate campaign contributions, above & beyond the average American's rights. You can't have it both ways!
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Old 09-08-2010, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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unlimited campaign donations by non-profits does not equate to unlimited campaign donations by for-profits...

Clean elections would be Publicly Financed:

"It makes elections about voters and not lobbyists and campaign donors."

http://www.publicampaign.org/clean-facts (broken link)
Mcain took public funding and the limitations Obama did not.
As long as unions can use dues paid for by memebrs to fund campaigns then the public sector has a right to spend their money as they see fit. Public sector can not donate to a campaign they can just spend it on the causes they wish to support. Shoukd company A board alllows 100 million dollar ad campaign for a cause or candidate it will be in the public knowledge
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Old 09-08-2010, 02:14 PM
 
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Mcain took public funding and the limitations Obama did not.
As long as unions can use dues paid for by memebrs to fund campaigns then the public sector has a right to spend their money as they see fit. Public sector can not donate to a campaign they can just spend it on the causes they wish to support. Shoukd company A board alllows 100 million dollar ad campaign for a cause or candidate it will be in the public knowledge
Corporations contribute private sector for-profit funds.
Public Financing would keep elections clean (no more "legal bribery").
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Old 09-08-2010, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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You think that this started with Obama administration? When we as a nation ignore past, we cannot blame any one particular person or reason because we have given them the green light and we have allowed a precedent to be set.
0bama does own two car companies, he used our money to buy them up, kicked the investors to the curb and propped up the UAW. 0bama does have GE's CEO on his advisory panel, and 0bama is subsidizing GE's green energy with taxpayer dollars, no other president has done this.

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Reagan instituted a phrase that conservatives use to this day: Trickle Down (or Supply Side) economics…Reaganomics. It is the philosophy that tax cuts for the top tier of American earners, and for Corporations will increase corporate profits, and create jobs through a trickling down process. This, coupled with President George H.W. Bush’s demand for a fast track on the North American Free Trade Agreement began America on a collapse from which we will never emerge unless drastic measures are taken.

How Corporatist-Conservative Policy Destroyed The American Economy « POLITICAL PARTY POOPER
Apparently 0bama believes in trickle down economics because he is using that idea as the reason for his new stimulus to small business. 0bama just proposed $200 billion stimulus plan to allow small businesses to write off the full value of their business investments made from now until the end of 2011. 0bama claims this stimulus will trickle down to the people and create jobs and move the economy along. Too bad this is two years too late.
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Old 09-08-2010, 03:27 PM
 
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0bama does own two car companies, he used our money to buy them up, kicked the investors to the curb and propped up the UAW. 0bama does have GE's CEO on his advisory panel, and 0bama is subsidizing GE's green energy with taxpayer dollars, no other president has done this.


Apparently 0bama believes in trickle down economics because he is using that idea as the reason for his new stimulus to small business. 0bama just proposed $200 billion stimulus plan to allow small businesses to write off the full value of their business investments made from now until the end of 2011. 0bama claims this stimulus will trickle down to the people and create jobs and move the economy along. Too bad this is two years too late.

Wouldn't it be great if we eliminated graft and corruption from all political elections (primaries and general elections) with Public Financing? Then we could discuss/debate the REAL ISSUES and candidates would have REAL PLATFORMS for VOTERS, and we wouldn't be sitting here arguing "Did so!" "Did not!"

http://www.publicampaign.org/fair-elections-now-summary (broken link)

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Old 09-08-2010, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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YouTube - Target Ain't People

Please boycott Target. Send the message to SCOTUS that their UnConstitutional ruling for "corporate personhood" last January 2010 will not be tolerated by WE the American People!

If you want the laws changed, contact your congressman, but most politicians wanted the court decision to fall the way it did.
Boycotting hurts people, not corporations.
(they will take a tax break from the loss)
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Old 09-08-2010, 03:42 PM
 
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If you want the laws changed, contact your congressman, but most politicians wanted the court decision to fall the way it did.
Boycotting hurts people, not corporations.
(they will take a tax break from the loss)
Target HQ has already apologized for the corporate campaign contribution due to boycott & petition drive. Boycotts have a long successful history and are more efficient/effective than letter-writing.
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Old 09-08-2010, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Corporations contribute private sector for-profit funds.
Public Financing would keep elections clean (no more "legal bribery").
Squelching freedoms of speech is not good
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