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Old 09-09-2010, 10:26 PM
 
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I think this is a major story not getting enough coverage. The Cartels really own things down there. Hillary Clinton expressed worry of the government being overthrown by drug cartels similar to what happened in Columbia.


I think it is time to react smartly. I think USA should legalize marijuana and cut the black market for drugs in half. And then go hard and offer assistance to Mexico and perform specialized raids against these guys trafficing drugs like cocaine and heroin

If they do that, I think that the entire drug portion of the black market would be about 25% of what it currently is.
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Old 09-09-2010, 10:29 PM
 
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Either legalize drugs in the USA or curb US dependence on drugs. The USA is the biggest consumer of illicit drugs in the world. If there wasn't such a high demand, the cartels wouldn't be as powerful. Where do you think they get the money? Trees?
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Old 09-09-2010, 10:47 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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I think this is a major story not getting enough coverage. The Cartels really own things down there. Hillary Clinton expressed worry of the government being overthrown by drug cartels similar to what happened in Columbia.


I think it is time to react smartly. I think USA should legalize marijuana and cut the black market for drugs in half. And then go hard and offer assistance to Mexico and perform specialized raids against these guys trafficing drugs like cocaine and heroin

If they do that, I think that the entire drug portion of the black market would be about 25% of what it currently is.
Legalize cocaine and marijuana. Problem solved. No more $$ to shathole mexico.

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Old 09-09-2010, 11:01 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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So how much different for the worse would things be, if drug cartels took over the Mexican government? Like what happened to Columbia?
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Old 09-09-2010, 11:32 PM
 
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Let the cartels take over the rotted and corrupt Mexican Government.

Most probably, they would then make the stupid, and fatal, mistake of moving on the U.S.,

...and we would engage in war with Mexico.



Kill several birds with one stone.


Border enforcement
Illegal Immigration
Drug Smuggling
Human Trafficking
National sovereignty
Terrorist elimination
Redefined relationships
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:02 AM
 
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We'll just end up doing drone strikes in the mountains of Mexico as we are doing in Pakistan. We'll probably have some kind of team-building experience with the Mexican military, using more money and troops to fight wars of choice. We'll end up pulling out all combat troops ten years later, declare some kind of hollow victory, but leave behind twenty military bases and a couple hundred-thousand troops in an "advisory" role.
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:54 AM
 
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Let the cartels take over the rotted and corrupt Mexican Government.

Most probably, they would then make the stupid, and fatal, mistake of moving on the U.S.,

...and we would engage in war with Mexico.

Which would mean more Mexican immigration than ever before, and it would all be legal. We'd be obligated to take in anyone who helped us. Some of the immigrants might have associations with cartels that are opponents of the cartels that would be in power.

Just like what happened with the Vietnamese after the Vietnam War. We took in some of the worst people from that country including the drug kingpins like Nguyen Cao Ky in addition to the good people and those in between. Harold Wilson and Gough Whitlam didn't want to let any Vietnamese refugees into Britain and Australia (although the subsequent Aussie government of Malcolm Fraser let them in later, changing Whitlam's policies) because they knew that some of the Vietnamese in question were not desirable people. The Ford Administration thought differently.

If the US was in a conflict in Mexico the same thing would happen. Except Mexico's much closer than Vietnam so there'd be far more.

In effect, you're advocating an indirect amnesty.
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Old 09-10-2010, 05:49 AM
 
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So how much different for the worse would things be, if drug cartels took over the Mexican government? Like what happened to Columbia?
The drug cartels did not take over the government in Colombia. There were some serious corruption but nothing near a government takeover. Actually I think the problem is much more serious in Mexico than Colombia. Mexico had corruption issues before the cartels even existed. They have more money and they are more violent than businesspeople.
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Old 09-10-2010, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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What makes you think this has not already happened? Mexico’s government has always been dominated by the descendents of the Spanish Aristocracy and they have just opened another source of revenue from their estates. The government is not considered corrupt but is only doing what the people that own it want them to do. That is support the drug producers and drug runners and fund the anti drug forces in the US as much as they can get away with doing.

The Mexican government has always considered the needs of the workers and peasants immaterial to proper governing. It is, and always has been, a feudal aristocracy, making the rules for their own benefit. Not the Mexican or our people.
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Old 09-10-2010, 06:17 AM
 
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Get control over the border. The cartels have no problem getting any thing at all over the border - either direction. We turned the border over to them and this is the result, they now control what comes over the border and they are getting more powerful.

And you'd better believe there is massive corruption on the USA side that allows tons of drugs, semi trailers filled with humans, pirated CDs - anything - to be brought in illegally.

Now our government is allowing the cartels to move across the border and set up shop here.
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