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So you think that it is tactically wiser to defend yourself in the open with 20 opponents rather than just covering a single chock point, such as a doorway?
We're dealing with incomplete information, or I am. You may know more specifics. I don't know the exact layout of the home or where they were hiding.
The point I was making is that if I felt that I needed to use force to defend my family, my preference would be for there to be some distance between where I am engaged in the conflict and my family. In addition, I would prefer to be proactive in the use of force rather than react to the attack someone launches while I'm sitting with my family by my side. The specifics of how that occurs, or if it could, would vary depending on the circumstances, but those would be my preferences.
Long Island isn't NYC, but has enough people seeking to eliminate the right to carry. DH has handguns and had to jump through numerous hoops in order to get the permit to carry and keep.
And that is the real crime ... since it is the constitution and the 2nd amendment which is our collective "permit" to keep and carry.
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Given the article, though, you see what the law-abiding are up against here.
Not just the article ... but the attitudes and opinions of some of the cowering sheep are what has led to this flagrant violation of our constitutional rights, of which the right to keep and bear arms is the most important, and fundamentally necessary to secure the others.
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One link has pictures of the man's house. It has a tiny front yard but a long driveway to the rear. 20 men would be into that house in no time flat. Grier realized that. He is fortunate that no one was killed, injured and that his family was safe. There are so many ways this could have played out -- and this was the best case scenario. Now I can only hope that the DA doesn't hang this guy out to dry in her bid for NYS AG.
Nothing would surprise at this point in our sad state of liberty and freedom.
Did you see our new Supreme Court Justice stammer and clammer and refuse to answer the question "do Americans have a fundamental right of self defense under the constitution?"
Ladies and Gentlemen, be forewarned that the government of the United States has been overthrown by a criminal gang far more dangerous than MS-13 ... and that holds true for many states and municipalities.
And to the police officers, current and former ... a time of decision is rapidly approaching ... are you going to stand with the people and justice or for the laws and the criminals writing them?
Remember, at Nuremberg, just following orders was an illegitimate defense.
Hey, don't get me wrong ... I appreciated the heads up ... the beat cop cannot solve the situation of inner city violence singlehandedly.
The operative point here is that maybe with this resource crisis you so clearly identify, those limited resources would be better utilized by focusing on violent criminals rather than citizens defending themselves?
I remember many years where Washington DC was the murder capitol of the nation ... and as a gov't contractor I was also keenly aware of the fact that you dare not allow that red flag to pop up on a parking meter downtown, because 30 seconds later, a blue uniform was standing along side your car with ticket book and pen in hand. I suspect it's very similar in NYC.
The point really is that we have far too many laws on the books ... too many resources enforcing non-vilolent crimes, while the hard core criminals rule the streets.
In this particular case ... you have a law abiding citizen utilizing a legally owned firearm to defend his family, and he is arrested for discharging the weapon based on an ordinance prohibiting the discharge of the weapon. The obvious contradiction here is that what good is a firearm for protection if discharging it is a crime?
Perhaps such ordinances should be clearly written that prohibit the unwarranted discharge of a firearm as a violation of safety code ... with the obvious and clear exception allowing for the discharge of a firearm in the act of self defense, considering that this is it's primary function?
Here in Texas, you may use a firearm for self defense if you have a reasonable belief that your life or property is in danger .... and direct threats like "I'm going to kill you" would surely constitute a reasonable threat, dontcha think?
I agree with you wholeheartedly; but as long as NY remains a blue state, this is the catch-22 we will have to deal with. Laws are for the law abiding, and some of the savvy criminals in NY know how to work the system.
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Someone arrested for firing a machine gun in public, who would have ever thought? What is this world coming to when you can't own and fire a machine gun on your own block!!! A gun that was obtained illegally mind you.
Another Ultra-PC Liberal Extremist........
....." Homo Liberalous Hypokrisis Hateoallofuswhitishpeoplous "
Scientists have been studying them since the late 1950's and are still baffled by their ability to speak and grunt out of both sides of their mouth, while simultaneously speaking directly from their rectums.-
On the other hand, in Switzerland, gun crime statistics are so low ...( the lowest in the World), because almost everyone has firearms ... and the government even provides it's citizens firearm training.
As long as every one who has a gun, serves in the military (swiss men are all subject to compulsory military service, with those that are found unfit pay a non-service tax until they are 30), or are part of the army reserve, I'd have no problem. Then we'd have fresh troops for Iran, North Korea or wherever you'd like to go and shoot.
....." Homo Liberalous Hypokrisis Hateoallofuswhitishpeoplous "
Scientists have been studying them since the late 1950's and are still baffled by their ability to speak and grunt out of both sides of their mouth, while simultaneously speaking directly from their rectums.-
I take exception to people saying that he should run back into his home. Your property is YOURS and you shouldn't need to cower away from people threatening you.
Though, shooting into the air was not a smart move. Always ensure a backstop.
Yet another reason that I am glad that I don't live in the city or in the state of New York. Where I live I wouldn't have been facing them alone. My neighbors would have been out there with me with their guns in hand also.
20 gang members challenging me. Threatening to kill my family. At some point you need to take these threats seriously given the violent nature of these street gangs.
The risk posed by shooting into the ground was minimal.
The idea of telling a mob of people that you called the police and thinking that this would scare them off is naive at best. At that point 1 might just shoot you and be on their way.
From reading the many posts it is obvious that many of the posters have never faced such a situation and don't read the news very often. Gang bangers don't fear the police and they don't respect an individuals right to live in peace.
I would have no problem with the police shooting gangbangers on sight.
This man was stupid because he should know the laws where he lives and should have known that he would get tagged for his actions. But not as stupid people who depend on strangers to provide them with safety and security. Call the cops in one breath and trash them in the next.
But does their proctologist accept their insurance, if they have any?
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