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Old 09-10-2010, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Everyone knows the government needs money to do the things it deems itself responsible for.

1. miltary
2. welfare assistance
3. foreign aid
4. social securty
5. healthcare
etc

We can all aruge on what govenrment should and shouldn't be doing until we are blue in the face and I think we do that everyday on this fourm.

But we can all agree that everywhere the government is screwing us when it comes to taxes and or someone is getting a "free ride" paying to much, not enough.. rich, poor etc.

So here is what I propose and I would like to know why congress and presidents dont propose this simple idea.

Remove the federal income tax.
Which would require a change in 16th amendment.
Replace it with a 3% or LOWER federal sales tax.
The constitution must lock in that number and it shall never be higher, no others fees, other taxes and or federal revenue.
Exempt food clothing and housing.
Everything else is taxed.
This way everyone pays the samething 3% and everyone contributes to the so called LIST above!

If you disgree with it tell me why and others how this would destroy you lives. How is it "unfair" if you think it is. Because it is 3% it is small and limits the government revenue and doesn't impact the lower classes as much on purchasing that new cell phone. If the poor can bearly survive I dont think a cell phone is going to kill them with the 3%. Anything higher on top of State sales taxes could make it diffcult which is why it is low. We are a comsuming nation and spending nation we are the richest nation. The 3% is not much and if it shows that it can be lowered it can be 2.5% etc. No more loop holes no more rich trickle down, or socialism ideas of trying to figure out who pays what etc!


SS tax is comes out of your paycheck along with FICA, medicare etc just the part that says FEDERAL is now in your paycheck and in full!



PS the federal gas tax goes way only a 3% sales tax! no other fees, no sin taxes they can not be revenue for the federal government. No telephone taxes!
3% federal sales tax.
Sounds much like the fair tax which goes a bit farther in refucing taxes.
My question is leaving SS and medicare and fica taxes would 3% be revenue neutral,
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:32 PM
 
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Neal Boortz (I know you'll dismiss the rest because of the first two words)
you're 2 for 2 today.
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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you're 2 for 2 today.
Glad to help.

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3 for 3 baby!
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:39 PM
 
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Yeah, ideas are so 20th century. Tax those rich bastards! Can I get your vote now?


No!
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:43 PM
 
Location: PA
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The problem with a flat tax is the poor buy more stuff, more often, than the rich do, so it turns out not to be fair after all.

If the poor have no money how are they buying more stuff?
Are they buying stuff they dont need and starving in the process?
Your response doesnt make sense and I would like to see actual data on this because to me this is a lame response.
Everyone is buying stuff PERIOD!

A flat tax of 3% either way on basic entertainment or other items is completely fair. Are you basically more interested in selling this false statement in hopes to continue the idea that we have to keep the income tax.
If they are buying anything its food and clothing of which is tax free which is not hurting them in this platform. If they are buying 150 dollar sneakers that is a BUDGETING problem of which can not be fixed via goverment or the income tax system. Its 3% and everyone has to pay it.
What ever your economic status which can change over the years its a 3%. Its not judgemental, it doesnt care who you are and how rich you are or how poor. Your wallet and your job and title don't matter.

Seems to me people complaining the rich have to much money and spend it on junk. Then they would be taxed as they fill their vacation homes with items of which are taxed, cars, tvs, cell phones, etc etc. Just as the poor person buying a new tv, movie ticket etc.

You can only buy the things with in your budget according. Anything a poor person is buying outside of the needs to survive and live isnt really POOR then are they. Considering they get food stamps, medical care, housing discounted and other benefits I'm not sure how this 3% are going to kill them on a sales tax on a movie they want to see.

Nobody is losing benefits I am shifting the money from government to the power of the people on their money they have EARNED!
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The problem with a flat tax is the poor buy more stuff, more often, than the rich do, so it turns out not to be fair after all.
the poor buy more than the rich?????

where???


the poor and rich need shelter

the poor and rich need clothes

the poor and rich need food

the rich buy luxuries on top of that

think of the tax. on those broadway tickets, and the new lexus
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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OP,

Sounds like a great plan but I think the tax rate would have to be somewhere around 16-25% to sustain us, not 3%. Isn't this what the "Fair Tax" inititive is all about?
Any new tax policy needs one element to be successful: no exemptions for specific items or behaviors. If the governemtn can use our own taxes to bribe us then we are surrendering a huge amount of power to them. Do this and you won't pay taxes on it. Buy this and you will pay extra taxes. A flat sales tax takes power out of government's hands and returns it to ours, where it belongs.
Maybe even better would be to eliminate Federal taxes completely and simply require the states to pay into a Federal fund based on their percent of the population. Let the states provide most of the services and limit the Federal goverment to only doing a few things like Defense and international relations. That would return power to the sttes as it is supposed to be. Then we would have a truely FEDERAL government and not a NATIONAL one like we seem to have now.
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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No!
But...free money if you do!
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:50 PM
 
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The problem with a flat tax is the poor buy more stuff, more often, than the rich do, so it turns out not to be fair after all.

Huh?????????

Guess they aren't really poor to begin with...or maybe they're poor because they buy too many things?
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:50 PM
 
Location: PA
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What if you are attacked and have to go to war? You may need extra funds to defend the country.

Or some natural disaster?

Well if you went to war you would have to have a declaration of war via congress.
Maybe we would be less likely to go to war knowing we need to tax to fund it.
Its 3% anything after that your going to make it difficult of which it should be. War is not easy and so should the funding to make sure its not a endless on and funded for a REASON!


natural disasters are unplanned events use the credit of the US and borrow some money but it wont break the bank if done correctly.
3% stays the same.
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