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Old 09-13-2010, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Texas
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It doesn't matter what you think 250k is or how much it stretches depending on what you live.

You have NO RIGHT to keep pilfering the pocketbooks of your fellow americans especially until our government can come up with better spending habits.
The problem here isn't that Mr $250k is paying more or Mr $50k is paying less. The problem is that people think the solution to all this debt and treasury raiding can be solved by stealing more money from the people (half of whom pay nothing into the system - so I guess it's stealing from half the people).

We should all consider cutting the government off entirely (like a reckless teenager - time for a 'time out') until they can get their collective heads out of their asses and start spending OUR money responsibly.

Look at this mess...they distract us by having the middle class fight with the upper middle class so that the rich fat cats and politicians can plunder the country without us watching.

The more you tax the 'rich,' the more those taxes will eventually reach you. And that's what they want. With no money in your pocket to fight and bargain, they will have achieved complete control. Yay. Enjoy being the minion of the power brokers, ladies and gentlemen.
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Old 09-13-2010, 08:42 PM
 
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The point is, $250K is a more than adequate income, anywhere. It is foolish to act like folks making that or more are grubbing for money for the kids' lunches.

It's foolish to assume any money left over after fed income taxes/state income taxes, a mortgage payment and property taxes is all disposable income.

One might "qualify" for that house/mortgage on a $250K salary - doesn't mean one can afford it.
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Old 09-13-2010, 08:46 PM
 
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LMAO! You've nailed it on the head...........labor has become a commodity. And that is the entire problem with the US economy. hahaha............And we wonder why the French riot to protect their pensions and doctors in Greece are being arrested for throwing their shoes at the Prime Minister. At least those evil European socialists stand up for the worker. By the way we don't have capitalism.........if we did there wouldn't have been any bailouts. GM, Citi bank, Fannie and Freddie etc. etc. would have gone bankrupt years ago. We have fascism state corporatism in America.
So you would rather have a a depression of epic proportions rather than have the federal government bail out banks with the TARP plan? And no, I didn't particularly like bailing out the banks either but the alternative was far worse.

And yes, corporations are now more powerful than the U.S. Government.
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Old 09-13-2010, 08:47 PM
 
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It's foolish to assume any money left over after fed income taxes/state income taxes, a mortgage payment and property taxes is all disposable income.

One might "qualify" for that house/mortgage on a $250K salary - doesn't mean one can afford it.
Oh, I agree with you, which is why I live in a house that's about a third again as much as my family's annual income, but a $4500 mortgage payment is generally doable with an income of $250k. It was a stretch, but I've done it on quite a bit less than that. It's the lifestyle that goes along with that house that does you in.
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Old 09-13-2010, 08:49 PM
 
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So you would rather have a a depression of epic proportions rather than have the federal government bail out banks with the TARP plan? And no, I didn't particularly like bailing out the banks either but the alternative was far worse.

And yes, corporations are now more powerful than the U.S. Government.

Yes. America will survive and will redeem itself or it will perish. We need a good cleaning. It would be rough and miserable for many but it needs to happen. Otherwise we are just postponing the inevitable. We got through WWII where we had to ration gas and commit to the war effort so a depression would be similar. In fact a good smack in the face in the form of a depression is EXACTLY what we need in America.
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Old 09-13-2010, 08:50 PM
 
Location: OKC
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Let the cuts expire for ALL. Then there's no argument about a magic, government defined cutoff and definition of "wealthy".

EVERYBODY needs to belly up and pay more taxes..all 53% of us.
Haha word.
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Old 09-13-2010, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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It's foolish to assume any money left over after fed income taxes/state income taxes, a mortgage payment and property taxes is all disposable income.

One might "qualify" for that house/mortgage on a $250K salary - doesn't mean one can afford it.
Well of course. Housing is only one example. People making $250K/yr are not waiting for a sale at Wal Mart to buy their kids' back to school clothes. To say that $250K is not a healthy income is out of touch with reality.
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Old 09-13-2010, 08:58 PM
 
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It doesn't matter what you think 250k is or how much it stretches depending on what you live.
It ABSOLUTELY does.

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You have NO RIGHT to keep pilfering the pocketbooks of your fellow americans especially until our government can come up with better spending habits.
Who is pilfering the pocketbooks of who? Let alone digging in deeper?

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The problem here isn't that Mr $250k is paying more or Mr $50k is paying less. The problem is that people think the solution to all this debt and treasury raiding can be solved by stealing more money from the people (half of whom pay nothing into the system - so I guess it's stealing from half the people).
Hold the phone...that half that pay nothing in, get returns. How do they manage that? Who PAYS for that?

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Look at this mess...they distract us by having the middle class fight with the upper middle class so that the rich fat cats and politicians can plunder the country without us watching.
Huh?

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The more you tax the 'rich,' the more those taxes will eventually reach you.
Of course - but most likely when those "rich" who work 80 weeks, don't have pensions (have to save for themselves) , don't have HC (unless they pay for it) get taxed AGAIN - it will all filter down (again) to the "poor me! Those RICH people who make $250K suck!"

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And that's what they want. With no money in your pocket to fight and bargain, they will have achieved complete control. Yay. Enjoy being the minion of the power brokers, ladies and gentlemen.
Who wants what? Shoot, get a job. Get a second job when your first ends at 3pm and you have every weekend off, every holiday off, sick days, pensions, minimum payment for HC, take more vacations in a year than Obama...while you cry about those who make more than you and have sacrificed more than you...but screw those who supply those people their jobs.

Guess what? Keep on pushing...and no more JOB for you!
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Old 09-13-2010, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Well of course. Housing is only one example. People making $250K/yr are not waiting for a sale at Wal Mart to buy their kids' back to school clothes. To say that $250K is not a healthy income is out of touch with reality.

We absolutely shop at Target and Walmart. Gimme a break already.
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Old 09-13-2010, 09:33 PM
 
Location: OKC
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Here's the argument for increasing the tax rate on the rich:

Those people have stuff. I want their stuff. Lets take their stuff.

It's not much more complicated than that, folks. We can tell ourselves that "they got it comin" if anyone tells us how unfair it all is.
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