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Old 09-13-2010, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Orlando, FL
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It is amazing how many people believe anything in print without actually doing any kind of fact checking. No, it's not amazing. It's scary.
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Old 09-13-2010, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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No doubt if he didnt follow the rules he should have been removed. Being removed should NOT equal jail. Nor does it equal having a 300 pd man sitting on your back while you are a disabled person.

Also there should NOT be a " rule" that limits someones right to free speech. He wasnt harming anyone There is no reason his free speech should have been prevented
Having read some of the links to the story, it turns out he was standing in the spot were people perform at the fair. You have no right to free speech on private property. If he was standing outside the fair on public property I would agree that his right to free speech shouldn't be limited, but he wasn't.
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Old 09-13-2010, 05:53 PM
 
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I'm amazed at how many people misunderstand free speech and it's limitations.

If you go to a movie theater and start yelling political slogans during the show do you believe it is a violation of your free speech if you are asked to leave? Even in a public place, do you think it is within your free speech rights to enter a public library and starting yelling political slogans?
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Old 09-13-2010, 06:02 PM
 
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Man, the ignorance on this thread is comical. This is in no way, shape, or form a free speech / 1st amendment issue. Our Constitution provides that the government cannot prevent or limit (except in certain rare circumstances) free expression of speech. Private enterprises certainly can set restrictions on speech at their place of business.

In this case, a man decided to put on a political demonstration on private property at a business event put on by a private corporation - the Alaska State Fair, Inc. This business has every right to ask him not to speak in that manner, to leave because of his speech, etc. What he did was no different than putting on a political demonstration in McDonalds, a grocery store, 24 Hour Fitness, etc, etc, etc. He has no right to harass the patrons at this, or any business if the owners take issue with his conduct.

The real victim here is the Alaska State Fair, Inc. I hope they sue the pants of this idiot for loss of business due to his violation of its right to conduct business.
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Old 09-13-2010, 06:15 PM
 
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He needs to be impeached or resign, but the gift is his daily mistakes, lies and screwing up everything he touches helps us in our goal to end liberals running things in America.

Let the idiot in the WH keep going, it is a gift that we found this moron and his failures will only help us put America back on track and get rid of liberalism for good.
well-stated. but
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Old 09-13-2010, 06:18 PM
 
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Acting like and being an idiot is not breaking the law.

He has the right to his freedom of speech and unless he broke a law otherwise you are saying he is guilty of something.

Alaska State Fair Addresses Protester's Arrest - KTVA (http://www.ktva.com/ci_15984037?source=most_viewed - broken link)

that the fairgrounds are private property, and that it has the right to regulate conduct across the property including solicitation, advertising, display of signs, materials distribution or other related activities. Anyone refusing to comply with the Fair's policy is asked to leave the property...
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Old 09-13-2010, 06:25 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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Alaska State Fair Addresses Protester's Arrest - KTVA (http://www.ktva.com/ci_15984037?source=most_viewed - broken link)

that the fairgrounds are private property, and that it has the right to regulate conduct across the property including solicitation, advertising, display of signs, materials distribution or other related activities. Anyone refusing to comply with the Fair's policy is asked to leave the property...
Asked to leave the property you stated. Was he asked to leave or was he arrested and on what charge?

Why were the Pro Obama people not arrested and asked to leave?

Guess we will see how this plays out, who says the state fairgrounds is private property?

Waiting to see if any charges will be filed and stick, then I will determine what is right or wrong.

He has the right to his freedom of speech as did the pro Obama people.

He has a right to carry a firearm as long as he has a license to do so.

Was he really on public funded property or private property?

If he was threatening or harming someone then he needed to be asked to leave, so far no strong proof of that yet.

Might as well sit back and get the facts before any of us make any more comments because from what I have read a ton of fishy information is coming out on the facts.

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Old 09-13-2010, 06:30 PM
 
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Asked to leave the property you stated. Was he asked to leave or was he arrested and on what charge?

Why were the Pro Obama people not arrested and asked to leave?
You need to read the vendor section in the state fair handbook. This is private property and they reserve the right to remove those people who are breaking the rules. It's really that simple. But you are so deep into political bickering that reason escapes you....
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Old 09-13-2010, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Asked to leave the property you stated. Was he asked to leave or was he arrested and on what charge?

Why were the Pro Obama people not arrested and asked to leave?

Guess we will see how this plays out, who says the state fairgrounds is private property?

Waiting to see if any charges will be filed and stick, then I will determine what is right or wrong.

He has the right to his freedom of speech as did the pro Obama people.

He has a right to carry a firearm as long as he has a license to do so.

Was he really on public funded property or private property?

If he was threatening or harming someone then he needed to be asked to leave, so far no strong proof of that yet.

Might as well sit back and get the facts before any of us make any more comments because from what I have read a ton of fishy information is coming out on the facts.

The pro-Obama people actually followed the rules, which is why they were not asked to leave.
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Old 09-13-2010, 06:37 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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It really is funny how all of the anti-Obama Armageddonists translate an arrest for "trepassing, carrying a weapon and acting belligerent" into "trampling on Freedom of Speech".
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