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Those of you who are constantly bringing up the past and attempting to credit Republicans for all civil rights legislation can quit already. That is irrelevant. Things have changed, it's 2010, not 1958. What happened in 1958 does not have anything to do with whether or not you are racist today. Stop assuming that the rest of us are on your intelligence level and can be glamoured by the daily Fox News rhetoric. It doesn't work on everyone. Just because Glenn Beck or some black conservative on Fox News keeps spewing this, it is not a good argument, especially when two seconds later you are calling the president's socialist, liberal propaganda dangerous and getting upset because he used a toilet in the Whitehouse or put his feet on the desk.
Ha! Now they're trying to take credit for civil rights legislation! LOL! I hope John McCain is taking some pleasure in this situation. Your post is spot on.
Let's be honest about civil rights legislation. Progressives pushed hard for it and conservatives fought hard against it. Yes, back in the early 60's both parties had both progressive and conservative wings depending on which part of the country they were from but generally the north and far west was progressive while the south was regressive. More or less like today.
There is no such thing as white privilege. There is such thing as victim mentality though.
Some people on the right have become very good at playing the victim. I disagree about White privelege...there is a sense of entitlement that is sickening...the one that got us birthers, Sara Pailin, Glenn Beck and Limbaugh. This sense of entitlement and feeling as if white privelege is no more is what leads to the victim mentality on the right. The fear of losing white privelege is what drives Fox News, birthers, Pailin and people like the guy we're discussing in this thread. All the talk about the original constitution, taking our country back and not liking the direction we're going in....we all know what that really means.
Let's try staying on topic people, this thread is about Jim Greer and his views on certain elements within the GOP. Personally, I find it kind of funny as he was one those guys who kept saying liberals are using the race card for everything. Why the change of heart?
Let's be honest about civil rights legislation. Progressives pushed hard for it and conservatives fought hard against it. Yes, back in the early 60's both parties had both progressive and conservative wings depending on which part of the country they were from but generally the north and far west was progressive while the south was regressive. More or less like today.
It's nothing like today; there used to be Republicans who understood that "Democracy is the art of compromise." Under Bush 43 the "my way or the highway" mentality took hold, and you will not find Republicans working with President Obama toward any compromises to benefit the country. There doesn't seem to be any sign of a progressive wing in the GOP, unless you count the 19,000 Log Cabin Republicans.
Let's try staying on topic people, this thread is about Jim Greer and his views on certain elements within the GOP. Personally, I find it kind of funny as he was one those guys who kept saying liberals are using the race card for everything. Why the change of heart?
Sounds to me like he realized he couldn't compete with the Tea Party candidates and he's desperate to find a new gig. Switching teams will garner him some attention and breathe a bit of life into his failing political career. Doubt it will accomplish what he's hoping it will over the long haul, though.
I mean after the presidential election of 1964. Look at the maps.
So you don't put the Progressive Era which Glennie is trying so hard to demonize into context, any more than he does.
Golly, it's so simple, isn't it? Meanwhile the initial post you replied to was about racism in the GOP.
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You're such a riot. Your own link to snopes even states that the only thing they can find that even remotely supports that Rush actually said those things was written in a book and the author attributed those quotes to Rush. They are all lies, just like you are trying to spread. Don't you get tired of being a propaganda puppet for the WH?
[quote=Evenstar51;15896537][quote=rbohm;15895579]and virtually all of those examples have been proven false, and the people who made those claims initially have apologized for making false claims against limbaugh. [end quote]
Baloney. Limbaugh found his niche among racists and ran with it, as he was apparently unable to pass college classes. He's a jumped-up radio dj
with delusions of grandeur. No matter how much money he's made, it doesn't mean that he's intelligent or even honest. Living 60 miles from where Rush was hatched, I know exactly why Limbaugh played the song, all protests to the contrary aside. This is a racist area, and he's a bigot.
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really? you mean after 1965? you know when it was republicans and northern democrats that pushed the civil rights and voting rights acts through congress? you are right that democrats have changed, they have gone much farther left, republicans are still right of center. it is the democrats that are claiming to be the mainstream now and that republicans are the extremists, which is in fact not true.[end quote]
The behavior of the current crop of Republicans is indeed extreme. To simply refuse to work for your pay doesn't work for any other group in the U.S. Democracy is the art of compromise, not a childish "If I can't be the captain, then I just won't play" attitude. One would think that the GOP would be furious that they're paying people to not work...suspiciously like the claims made against people who need help to survive, only these guys are doing amazingly well financially. Perhaps some citation is needed to back up the assertion that the GOP introduced and pushed through civil rights legislation, dragging a few reluctant Democrats along. That's revisionist history at its most blatant.
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most of what i posted i knew from when i was in junior high school, long before i even knew about glenn beck(1970-1972 in fact). i will admit other details i heard about from beck, but have since verified those fact from independent sources.[end quote]
From a source like Fox Entertainment Network? Apparently you're too young to remember how JFK (a Democrat) and his party worked to protect those struggling to gain voting rights. Yes, the Dixiecrats were racist...and the GOP welcomed them into the party with open arms. Now they're running it, and have made it the party of bigots. William F. Buckley must be spinning in his grave.
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republicans support private industry period, big or small, as these are the ones that will grow our way out of this economic downturn, if allowed to do what they do best, make money.[ end quote]
Yes, they do. Sadly, they're not quite as concerned about the welfare of the American people. If you own your own company it's a private business; once you begin selling shares in said business, it isn't private anymore. How sad that making money is the primary drive in the lives of so many people...Ken Lay should have been a prime example of what little good money does in the end. There's much more to life than accumulating money.
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Ha! Now they're trying to take credit for civil rights legislation! LOL! I hope John McCain is taking some pleasure in this situation. Your post is spot on.
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Those of you who are constantly bringing up the past and attempting to credit Republicans for all civil rights legislation can quit already. That is irrelevant. Things have changed, it's 2010, not 1958. What happened in 1958 does not have anything to do with whether or not you are racist today. Stop assuming that the rest of us are on your intelligence level and can be glamoured by the daily Fox News rhetoric. It doesn't work on everyone. Just because Glenn Beck or some black conservative on Fox News keeps spewing this, it is not a good argument, especially when two seconds later you are calling the president's socialist, liberal propaganda dangerous and getting upset because he used a toilet in the Whitehouse or put his feet on the desk.
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Originally Posted by Evenstar51
It's nothing like today; there used to be Republicans who understood that "Democracy is the art of compromise." Under Bush 43 the "my way or the highway" mentality took hold, and you will not find Republicans working with President Obama toward any compromises to benefit the country. There doesn't seem to be any sign of a progressive wing in the GOP, unless you count the 19,000 Log Cabin Republicans.
sour d is right regarding the limbaugh issue, there are things he said that on the surface sound racist, i heard him talk about the deal with mcnabb, and the left took everything he said out of context, and completely left out that limbaugh said mcnabb was in fact a very good quarterback, but he didnt think that mcnabb was at the level that the press was making him out to be.
as for the civil rights issue, it is in the congressional record what the republicans did, and how they voted, and that if the southern democrats voted in lock step against the legislation. and while the south has gone republican, that doesnt mean the entire party is now suddenly racist or against civil rights. you dont as a party suddenly stop pushing civil rights for all when the party as a whole has a positive record on civil rights since its inception in the 1850's.
as for where i get my information, as i said i learned much of that when i was in school, back when real history was being taught, not the revisionist history being taught in schools today. i also find independent sources on the internet when i question what people say. like will rogers, i dont believe everything anyone says just because they say it. i check for myself, i was taught in school how to learn not what to think.
Ha! Now they're trying to take credit for civil rights legislation! LOL! I hope John McCain is taking some pleasure in this situation. Your post is spot on.
You do know who filibustered the civil rights act of 1964?
Southern conservatives did. Back in those days both parties had liberal and conservative wings but due to the South's traditional hatred of Republicans (from the civil war days when Republicans were actually progressives) there were almost no Republicans elected in the south. Either way the party designation is meaningless and the folks who were against giving blacks equal rights were always conservatives.
Basically conservatives have always been on the wrong side of every issue throughout or nation's history.
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