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Old 09-16-2010, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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Good, I'm sure all the poverty and crime that results from that won't cost the government/tax payers any money at all.
You asked the question. Someone answers. And you give smart arse answers.

How pathetic your posts are.

Yawn.

Buh-bye.
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Old 09-16-2010, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Indiana
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welfare,bailout of any kind even municipalities,and states, unemployment benefits look for pork in bills and eliminate them before the senete begins to debate on any bill being introduce.
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Old 09-16-2010, 06:41 PM
 
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If we eliminated 90% of the federal government, I bet none of the 3rd worlders would want to come here. Works enough for me
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Old 09-16-2010, 06:43 PM
 
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If we eliminated 90% of the federal government, I bet none of the 3rd worlders would want to come here.
Yeah, why leave one third world country to go to another, makes sense to me as well.
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Old 09-16-2010, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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You know the Tea Parties were originally started by Ron Paul, a libertarian? But then the GOP establishment co-opted the tea parties and made it into a big-tent thing because they fear they will topple the pro-big government establishment
Most of the neo cons either do not know that or just conveniently never mention that Paul supporters started the tea party. And you are right the movement was hijacked by Beck,Hanitty and other fakes.
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Old 09-16-2010, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Well, to some extent at least. "Trim" is a nicer way to put it. With regards to Defense programs, what about Selective Service? How many millions or billions even do they spend yearly assembling names and printing materials for a draft that is not wanted and never going to happen? Get rid of it.

I second getting rid of the Dept of Education. What do they do? Good grief, get rid of it already.

Then we could merge FERC (Fed Energy Regulatory Commission) with the Dept of Energy. Save a bundle there.

The USDA? Get out the power trimmer. Ever been there? The main building has hallways that seemingly go on forever. Reminds one of the final scene of Raiders of the Lost Ark.

The thing is it would all be moot. Most of the budget goes towards Defense and Entitlements. Cutting Defense means becoming a neutral country. Even the Left cannot handle that. Cutting Entitlements- well we know what that means!
This sounds pretty reasonable. I'd probably add Homeland Security, at least downsizing and restructuring it.
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Old 09-16-2010, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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Actually it explicitly says what the responsibilities of the federal government are. No ifs, ands, or buts. The only thing that the Progressives in both parties use to justify their big government is the abuse of the Commerce Clause.
That is down right insultive the other clause they know is the general welfare clause so give them credit for knowing two
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Old 09-16-2010, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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1. Social welfare programs should not be cut, however, severely limited and restricted. If you are getting FREE money from the government, because you cannot work, for whatever reason, you should not be allowed to have children, while collecting that money.
That's a bit ridiculous. So do we sterilize them if they already don't have children, force them to have an abortion if the woman gets pregnant, or make them ineligible if they do have children?
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Old 09-16-2010, 06:56 PM
 
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The responses to this thread tell me that tea partiers want to destroy our federal government.
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Old 09-16-2010, 06:59 PM
 
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That is down right insultive the other clause they know is the general welfare clause so give them credit for knowing two
Oh, we know a few more.

We know that Section 8 out lines a list of enumerated powers but we also know that Section 9 expressly states what Congress's limits are

Section 9 - Limits on Congress
The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.

The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.

(No capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.) (Section in parentheses clarified by the 16th Amendment.)

No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.

No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one State over those of another: nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear, or pay Duties in another.

No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State.
The funny thing is I don't see any of the those prohibitions as being germane to your complaints.

We all so note the last line of Section 8
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
One of which is:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;
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