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Hmm. . . I wonder if there are any liberals on CD forum who consider themselves Christians, or believe in God. would be an interesting poll. Not a democrat but a true liberal.
That would be me. Not a Democrat or a Republican - have never registered as either because I don't always agree or disagree with any party - I vote for the individual. And I am a Christian.
yes, liberals do often refer to themselves as progressives. they also refer to themselves as "educated" and "rational." but we know this isn't the case.
"Liberals are far better educated than other groups (48% college graduates, compared with an overall average of 27%)."
awe gee, thanks! a poll. I respect polls and I take them very seriously. I wasn't polled though, so I am doubting the accuracy. sorry, but liberals are just as idiotic as any other group.
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"Liberals are far better educated than other groups (48% college graduates, compared with an overall average of 27%)."
You're confusing Traditionalists with Conservatives.
What is the difference? Take homosexuality for example and explain. Or, any other you might be more comfortable with.
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What a left wing rant. Liberals are enlightened tolerant multicultural progressive intelligent individuals and Conservatives are all evil or a bunch of bigots. Another thing is that you seem to be confusing traditionalists with conservatives. Traditionalists concentrate on the past. Progressives concentrate on change. Conservatives concentrate on truth, law, order and religion/philosophy (God).
True to some extent. I would add that conservatives tend to be anti-intellectual. Where I disagree is the generalization that all conservatives are evil or bigoted. Only social conservatives fit that premise. That distinction must be made, largely because libertarians are generally mixed in.
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Define "win".
A political "win" is not always a "win" for society in general. Many of the items listed by the OP, while popular, have proven to be harmful to this nation either morally or economically.
I couldn't disagree on "win". But despite your displeasure in accepting realities, mankind's natural path is progressivism of ideas and attitude. Your own country is a great example of that. While many still maintain an 18th century mentality (or perhaps even from the dark ages), the nation as a whole isn't even remotely stuck with it.
A good example of "political win" but not a "societal win" would be theocratic societies like Afghanistan and Iran. Both were on the right track and relatively progressive (especially Iran) before respective political disaster struck.
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As in liberalism espoused by the Founding Fathers?
"The citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy—a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship."
- George Washington
America's greatness lies in a progressive example set at the time of its founding. Other countries will eventually use it as an example.
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And Conservatism has given us the societal framework which has allowed these things to exist.
You know, little things like heterosexual marriage, the industry to support those unions, hospitals, etc...
Nope. Freedoms have afforded the societal framework. Conservatism was what forced people board the Mayflower. The con-men were against unions, and still are. They are for industries alright, even if it means just lip service, they're always for the affluent though. But unions are something they see as a threat as much as Hitler did. Other than "unions" of monied corporations, the con-men have never stood for unions. They have, instead presented those as evil commie idea.
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Actually it wouldn't be a stretch to say that liberalism is simply a reaction to conservatism and in many ways compliments it.
I can agree with this. It is not natural for people to be confined to set ways and be dictated along those lines. They eventually look for liberty.
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BTW it wasn't conservatism that didn't allow schools to be integrated it was racism.
All racists, regardless of their skin color and ethnicity, are social conservatives. People screaming their lungs out in the 1950s that desegregation was a commie plot and a socialist idea weren't exactly liberals. Or, were they?
Were you alive when Carter was president? I was in my teens, I lived through the gas shortages, the Iran hostages, the depression (called recession), the demise of our defense programs (my mom worked for Rockwell), and this is worse. Please, if you dont think these people aren't legislating their beliefs then what are they legislating?
Yup. I voted for Carter and I certainly didn't blame all the ills of the country on him. The way our government works, no one man - not even the president - can make or break the country.
awe gee, thanks! a poll. I respect polls and I take them very seriously. I wasn't polled though, so I am doubting the accuracy. sorry, but liberals are just as idiotic as any other group.
The fact is that better-educated Americans are more likely to be liberal and vote for Democrats. If you choose to ignore facts, then there's no point in responding to you, is there?
also, it also depends on what you consider education. government diploma mills don't really educate you. life does. take someone with an agriculture degree vs. someone who's been a farmer their entire life. who is more educated on agriculture? the guy with the real life experience, or the guy with the receipt? according to your poll, which was probably taken somewhere to be skewed to their liking. here is a poll. I'm going to do a poll about public support for abortion, but I am only going to poll people at the westboro baptist church. see how that works?
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"Liberals are far better educated than other groups (48% college graduates, compared with an overall average of 27%)."
Could that be because young minds are easily turned by the liberal teachers who run our education system? Oh, and how's that educational hierarchy working? You can be highly educated and dumb as a brick when it comes to common sense. Arrogance is also something liberals excel at.
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