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Old 09-17-2010, 08:34 AM
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Social conservative - Modest dress, 0 sexual partners to low partner count, less cussing/swearing, more religious(/Christian)

Social liberal - No code for dress, higher number of sexual partners, cusses/swears more, less religious(/Christian)

From a Catholic website --- Full of Grace, Seasoned with Salt: Millennials: Beware of Generation We (Me)

''One is that the demographic they are describing is defined overbroadly. Lumping people who are 10-32 in the same generation and then making wild assumptions about the shared “values” among this huge age spread is almost deliberately misleading on its face. My son, 10, falls within this demographic and can't possibly be described as progressive or environmentalist or anything else for that matter. I suspect that by placing the birth year that late they get to inflate the numbers of who is “counted” as having these views, with the effect of pumping up the idea that these views are poised to become the mainstream views of the country.

The reality, politically at least, is very different. Perhaps the most insightful resource for this is a book written by Bill Bishop called “The Big Sort”. Bishop is himself a liberal Democratic journalist living in Austin Texas. Working together with other journalists and political and demographic statistics, Bishop has pieced together what has actually been happening in America, politically over the last several decades. Essentially what Bishop observed is that over this time period there has been a geographical sorting of the population based on lifestyle/culture choices, which generally also reflect political orientations. In essence, what has happened is that the country has sorted itself into communities of similar, like-minded people – people who want to live in the same kinds of houses, have families of the same type and roughly size, worship in similarly-minded churches (or none) and so on – and, as a result of these affinities, generally voting for one or the other political party.

This has happened not on a state basis (as we often hear with red state vs. blue state) but on a community/county basis. Bishop found that over the period, the percentage of counties that went from being close/swing counties to being landslides either way has skyrocketed – for both parties. Our communities have, over the period, become more homogeneous (in one direction or the other), with the result that the politics of the country has truly become much more divided because people tend to live in communities with mostly like-minded people. Hence the sense of living in two different countries one gets if one compares, say, Pittsburgh to San Francisco. The values, lifestyle, family/relationship style, worldviews and politics are oceans apart between these two American cities. Unlike Obama's campaign suggestion that the country is not as divided as its politics might suggest, the reality is that the country IS very divided, and by geography which is reinforcing political differences.

That's the reality of the current political landscape. If you take the politically relevant members of this newfangled “We” group, the people who are, say, 20+, you're going to get a mixture between these communities – not all of them subscribe to San Francisco values. And, as we know, for many of them who DO subscribe to SF values when they are 21, they won't, or at least won't nearly as much, by the time they are 30. The siren song of social revolution and the hubris of being agents of change is always seductive to those who are both young and lacking in practical responsibilities, but the reality is that this group, like the rest, will settle in one America or the other, and probably to a very similar degree.

I strongly suspect that this “branding” of the cohort between 10-32 is an effort by aging baby boomer ex-revolutionaries to find their El Dorado: another generation of young people who supports their radicalism. It's telling when a leftist like Arianna Huffington comes out and calls these people post-partisan, when in fact what she really means is “capitualiting to the left”. Yet even that is itself an overstatement. The real issue isn't that we have idealistic youth – that's not so new. The real issue is that the country is and remains very closely and deeply divided, and Generation We is unlikely to do much to change that reality.''
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Old 11-06-2010, 02:43 PM
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Social conservatives have a screw loose lol.

Social liberalism is a more accurate appraisal of the reality of human beings. We are a heterogeneous species, especially in terms of personality, attitude, thought process, value system, etc. Normal is relative, and much of what we deem normal is socially constructed/engineered. Few actions are probably psychologically or innately abnormal to us. These are things such as rape, murder, incest, paedophilia, etc.

social conservatism is essentially born in a time when our knowledge of the world was not as great. So in, say, 1700, social conservatism made sense, due to the values and knowledge they had at the time. in that era, society then was far more imposing than now, and the ideal that the establishment knew best was the dominant ideology of the period. IMO, it was valid then (perhaps perfectly so), but now I'm not sure. To use psychology and medicine as examples, much research in these fields lends more to subjective treatments, since a once size fits all method doesn't always work.
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