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Old 09-18-2010, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Texas
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though i'm 21... being a person of mostly african descent(afro-cubano americano actually) i'm somewhat confused about what i hear & read people say online... where others complain about the 95% or so vote the current president received...

considering circumstances

what if this where a reverse situation where people of mostly european descent where previously faced in the same historical circumstances would the vote percentage not be the equivalent...

this has made me not vote and i don't think i will next time...

is this voting criticism necessary?

does anyone else have their opinions?
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Old 09-18-2010, 10:06 PM
 
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though i'm 21... being a person of mostly african descent(afro-cubano americano actually) i'm somewhat confused about what i hear & read people say online... where others complain about the 95% or so vote the current president received...

considering circumstances

what if this where a reverse situation where people of mostly european descent where previously faced in the same historical circumstances would the vote percentage not be the equivalent...

this has made me not vote and i don't think i will next time...

is this voting criticism necessary?

does anyone else have their opinions?



an excellent idea,

...considering your post
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Old 09-18-2010, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Originally Posted by Takezoe View Post
though i'm 21... being a person of mostly african descent(afro-cubano americano actually) i'm somewhat confused about what i hear & read people say online... where others complain about the 95% or so vote the current president received...

considering circumstances

what if this where a reverse situation where people of mostly european descent where previously faced in the same historical circumstances would the vote percentage not be the equivalent...

this has made me not vote and i don't think i will next time...

is this voting criticism necessary?

does anyone else have their opinions?
Not exactly sure what your question is. Can you restate it? Why would any percentage of color of a voter decide whether they voted or not? What are you really getting at?
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Old 09-18-2010, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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though i'm 21... being a person of mostly african descent(afro-cubano americano actually) i'm somewhat confused about what i hear & read people say online... where others complain about the 95% or so vote the current president received...

considering circumstances

what if this where a reverse situation where people of mostly european descent where previously faced in the same historical circumstances would the vote percentage not be the equivalent...

this has made me not vote and i don't think i will next time...

is this voting criticism necessary?

does anyone else have their opinions?
There was a story put up on a thread tonight that talks about Obama talking to the Congressional Black Caucus today in a manner that really bothers me. He is asking those people to go home and talk to their constituents about voting this fall to keep Democrats in office, at all costs. This appears to be a bit racial to me, but I don't know how many of those people he got to.

As for your question, please think about what happens if all people old enough to vote stop doing it. The powers that be in both parties will continue to fight it out with each other and the voters will continue to vote those establishment people back into power election after election.

Is it possible that too many people look at this the way you intimated you do? Will we ever see the people take this place back from them if all who can vote don't for whatever reason.

You get yourself to the polls and vote for whoever you want to win and feel that you did what you could. Don't think that race has anything to do with what you do about voting. Nobody will know who you voted for and that leaves you free to vote your own mind. Get out there and do your part.

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Old 09-18-2010, 10:46 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Takezoe View Post
though i'm 21... being a person of mostly african descent(afro-cubano americano actually) i'm somewhat confused about what i hear & read people say online... where others complain about the 95% or so vote the current president received...

considering circumstances

what if this where a reverse situation where people of mostly european descent where previously faced in the same historical circumstances would the vote percentage not be the equivalent...

this has made me not vote and i don't think i will next time...

is this voting criticism necessary?

does anyone else have their opinions?
I have no idea what you just said... what is "voting criticism"??
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Old 09-19-2010, 02:37 AM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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I think that was only 95% of the black people who went out to vote that day, which included a lot of political/black panther types. Actually large numbers of African Americans didn't vote, and while the black voter turnout was the highest in history, I think still less than half of blacks went out to vote, many didn't like Obama or McCain.

I hope that more middle class blacks would start voting Republican, after all they don't benefit from social welfare programs and probably want lower taxes, and church attendance is high among the black population. They need to put history aside and vote for their own interests. I don't understand how some middle class black Christians can vote for a party that supports high taxes, the welfare state, socialism, abortion, and gay marriage.
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Old 09-19-2010, 04:35 AM
 
Location: Central, IL
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Originally Posted by Takezoe View Post
though i'm 21... being a person of mostly african descent(afro-cubano americano actually) i'm somewhat confused about what i hear & read people say online... where others complain about the 95% or so vote the current president received...

considering circumstances

what if this where a reverse situation where people of mostly european descent where previously faced in the same historical circumstances would the vote percentage not be the equivalent...

this has made me not vote and i don't think i will next time...

is this voting criticism necessary?

does anyone else have their opinions?
while I think I understand what you are attempting to say/ask. Maybe your age is part of the reason you are struggling to understand what the issue many people have.

When it comes to the 95% you speak of, the issue is not that it was this high of a number, rather that a large percentage of that 95% voted the way they did, not based off of policies or platforms, rather the color of ones skin.
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Old 09-19-2010, 04:36 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Takezoe View Post
though i'm 21... being a person of mostly african descent(afro-cubano americano actually) i'm somewhat confused about what i hear & read people say online... where others complain about the 95% or so vote the current president received...

considering circumstances

what if this where a reverse situation where people of mostly european descent where previously faced in the same historical circumstances would the vote percentage not be the equivalent...

this has made me not vote and i don't think i will next time...

is this voting criticism necessary?

does anyone else have their opinions?
Just pull the lever for all democrats. That's what the dems expect of you.
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Old 09-19-2010, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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I hope that more middle class blacks would start voting Republican, after all they don't benefit from social welfare programs and probably want lower taxes, and church attendance is high among the black population. They need to put history aside and vote for their own interests. I don't understand how some middle class black Christians can vote for a party that supports high taxes, the welfare state, socialism, abortion, and gay marriage.
First, to the o.p., I would be ashamed to tell the world that I failed to vote (in any election) for any reason except physical incapacity. Even then there are contingencies provided in most (all?) states. Just saying. But the quote above needs direct rebuttal. I feel sad for Tom that 'he' does not recognize the indirect benefits of a social conscience. I also fail to see what race has to do with it. I suggest directing your comments to the portion of your own race that is Liberal and you may achieve success. There are surely more white (potential) voters with a Liberal orientation than all black Americans of any orientation combined.
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Old 09-21-2010, 11:15 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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African Americans did turnout higher with Obama being the potential first African American President than in the past, were more energized, however they only voted Democratic at a slightly higher clip than others.

To answer the question if the roles were reversed and if it was the first European American on the top of the ticket, would European Americans voted at the same clip (which is what I think you are asking). I think that depends on their prior voting preferences. Obama did get 95% of the African American vote, but Democrats have been getting the vast majority of the African American vote since FDR. LBJ got 94% of the African American vote, both Gore and Kerry got around 90%, Clinton was in the same range.

When you see an African American Republican, running against a White Democrat, the heavily Democratic patterns of African Americans still hold. The best example is probably 2006 where you had three state level races where the Republicans nominated an African American, and the Democrats nominee was white. The current GOP chairman Michael Steele ran against Ben Cardin for the Maryland Senate race. In Pennsylvania former Steeler Lynn Swann was challenging Governor Ed Rendell, and in Ohio Ken Blackwell was the GOP nominee in a race against ted Strickland. All three cases were an African American Republican against a white Democrat, and in all three cases the white Democrat not only won the race, but won the vast majority of the African American vote.
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