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Old 09-19-2010, 07:12 PM
 
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Consider the source! Not only is it in Forbes, but is written by a rather right-wing commentator. It claims Obama is a socialist based on his father's beliefs. Since he didn't know his father very well, it is amazing how much he picked up.
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Old 09-20-2010, 01:29 AM
 
Location: Eastern Missouri
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Warren may actually be the best person for the job - that's not really the point is it? She is going to hire 1000 Federal workers to run her new agency, she starts out with a budget of 400 Million dollars, she is accountable to NOBODY but the President.

NO Senate confirmation and NO Congressional oversight. She is not even required to attend a hearing if the Congress is rude enough to ask what she is doing with 1000 workers and 400 Million dollars a year - workers and money that the Taxpayer is forced to support. We don't even know where exactly this 400 Million is coming from. She will be "writing the rules" for the new "Consumer Protection" agency - not Congress, Elizabeth Warren. The only thing she has said when interviewed is that she is going to "fix" the fine print in credit card and mortgage paperwork. Doubtful it is going to take 1000 people and 400 Million a year to do that. She says she is going to guarantee "social justice" .... what exactly does she mean by that. She won't really say. IF Warren is so good, then she can certainly stand before the Senate committee (Dems have a majority) and have her hearing. She won't do that, Obama won't let her do that. The Unions and Far Left Progressives are demanding that Warren have this job .... that should be enough for anyone to question this appointment. The USA has not fared well while the Unions have been calling the shots in the Oministration. Just ask all the secured bond holders (pension funds) that were told to take a hike while 2 auto companies were turned over the the UAW.

Warren was in charge of the TARP oversight committee - we still don't know what happened to all that money (nearly a Trillion dollars with interest on the loan). Treasury says most of it was paid back, but it's NOT gone to pay the debt the taxpayers incurred for the bailout. So where is it? Warren should know, she was supposed to be the watchdog - total silence on "where is the TARP money?". The media of course has zero interest in asking these questions. Senate and House leaders have zero interest in asking these questions.

We are now up to 42 Czars with no oversight that are some sort of Shadow Government - nobody knows what they are doing, how many people they hire, how much money they are spending OR where that money is coming from exactly.

IF all this is so wonderful - why do they hide from scrutiny and refuse to go through a Senate hearing. Advise & Consent is part of our Constitution, keeping an eye on what these folks do is part of the CongressCritter's job description. Citizens don't like this stuff.

Great post Kibby. Of course the already lost it looney left won't like it.
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Old 09-20-2010, 02:04 AM
 
Location: Earth
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I would much rather turn us to the days of Herbert Hoover than the days of fdr!!!
Obama's policies of dealing with economic crisis from the top down by bailing out corporations, big banks, and Wall Street resemble those of Hoover more than FDR's "bottom up" policies which stimulated consumer demand.

Herbert Hussein Obama, anyone?

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Rememeber that while the media has claimed fdr as a great president, he set in moton the very problems we have today.
Some. Remember the solutions to one crisis often is the cause of another.

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And if you learn real history by looking up the facts, in government records of actions taken by both fdr and Hoover, you would realize that Hoover had this nation on the track to come of of the recession from the stock market crash.
By following corporatist policies similar to those of Obama.

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But fdr, with help from the progressive commie loving media made us go into the depression, first by stealing everything from people when he closed the banks, (and don't even say it didn't happen, because I know for a fact that peoples businesses and property was stolen from them, deeds , titles, etc)
Don't know much about theft having gone on as a result of the bank holiday.

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then by law forcing everyone to pay income taxes that previously was an option.
True.

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Then he stole gold and silver from people
There was a gold confiscation and ban on owning gold bullion. However there was no such ban on owning silver. US money continued to be backed by silver for some time afterwards. The last link to commodity backed currency was dismantled by Nixon.

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turned us completely over to the criminal mob misnamed the federal reserve
Hoover, like his three predecessors as president, vociferously defended the federal reserve.

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Next he had the "great scrap metal caper" giving all of it to hitler and japan.
Never heard of that.

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. It is unConstitutional and clear violation of federal law to play politics with taxpayer money like obama has and clinton did.
What president has NOT done this? The Bushes and Reagan did it. Nixon did it.

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On your line about obama and being a socialist, you might be right, he isn't just a socailist fool, but a complete marxist using socialism as way to get to a dictatorship like he so wants like chavez down south.
You need to read more about what Marxism and socialism are.

Corporatism is not Marxism nor socialism.

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Now if obama's actions taking over gm and chrysler wasn't the same as chavez's taking over oil then what the hell was it? It wasn't American, it wasn't Constitutional, and it sure wasn't legal !!!
It was ethically questionable but legal and constitutional. Bailing out GM is not the same thing as nationalizing it. Again - Hoover did this sort of thing a lot, and it failed to revive the US economy. Admittedly, the US economy didn't truly revive under FDR until 1940 and there was still a high unemployment rate on the eve of Pearl Harbor.
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Old 09-20-2010, 03:47 AM
 
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Forbes Magazine article... GREAT READ!

They don't pull any punches and hit the nail on the head. They place the blame right at the feet of dear leader.





Obama's Problem With Business - Forbes.com
He has been against corporate tax loopholes and excessive government subsidies to large and profitble corporations wich are basicly tax give awayes that are costly for government and its budget as they creates unnecessary deficits for government.
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Old 09-20-2010, 03:59 AM
 
Location: Don't be a cry baby!
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Whats funny to me is I don't remember any protest demanding Washington to bail out these companies. They/he did it all on his own. It's funny how Washington will pick and choose their fights and rarely fight for the will of the people.
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Old 09-20-2010, 04:55 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Whats funny to me is I don't remember any protest demanding Washington to bail out these companies. They/he did it all on his own. It's funny how Washington will pick and choose their fights and rarely fight for the will of the people.
I wonder how the future will look back at the 2008 peasant uprising. Will it prove to have been valuable, or just a flash in the pan?
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Old 09-20-2010, 05:37 AM
 
Location: My little patch of Earth
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O is only choosing 'tokens' to appear as if he's 'trying' ideas from the other side of the aisle - politically and fiscally.

What these people don't realize (listen up Gov Christy and Ms Warren):

Once you're in the 'Chicago way', there's only one way 'out'.
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Old 09-20-2010, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Don't be a cry baby!
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I wonder how the future will look back at the 2008 peasant uprising. Will it prove to have been valuable, or just a flash in the pan?
Hey Bob, I know you and I do not see eye to eye on most topics but I don't understand your comment in relation to mine. I cannot decide if you are mocking it (the comment) or not. I would like very much for the peasants to rise, that means "the people" in my book. Anyway, I don't need you to answer I was just voicing my confussion.
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Old 09-20-2010, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Consider the source! Not only is it in Forbes, but is written by a rather right-wing commentator. It claims Obama is a socialist based on his father's beliefs. Since he didn't know his father very well, it is amazing how much he picked up.
Osmosis
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Old 09-20-2010, 10:37 AM
 
Location: High Cotton
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Obama doesn't know a damn thing about business. Hell, he's never even had a lemonade stand. The dumbass man is nothing more than a social service Chicago thug. Even ignorant fools should be able to see that!
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