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Old 09-20-2010, 07:35 AM
 
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But if politicians who insist that the way to reduce deficits is to cut taxes, not raise them, start winning elections again, how much faith can anyone have that we'll do what needs to be done? Yes, we can have a fiscal crisis. But if we do, it won't be because we've spent too much trying to create jobs and help the unemployed. It will be because investors have looked at our politics and concluded, with justification, that we've turned into a banana republic.

Of course, flirting with crisis is arguably part of the plan. There has always been a sense in which voodoo economics was a cover story for the real doctrine, which was "starve the beast": Slash revenue with tax cuts, then demand spending cuts to close the resulting budget gap. The point is that starve the beast basically amounts to deliberately creating a fiscal crisis, in the belief that the crisis can be used to push through unpopular policies, like dismantling Social Security.


Opinion | Republicans want to redo voodoo economics: Be afraid | Seattle Times Newspaper
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Old 09-20-2010, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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That is pretty much what they had in mind. Problem is it would cut too much of their sponsers revenue so they never went thorugh with all of the plan. The results hurtm the Have None more than the Have Mores.
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Old 09-20-2010, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Pull back the curtain, and expose the demon(s).
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Old 09-20-2010, 10:03 AM
 
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Default Republicans want to redo voodoo economics: Be afraid

B-b-but tax cuts and trickle-down worked so well last time.

GOP economics
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Old 09-20-2010, 12:05 PM
 
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But if politicians who insist that the way to reduce deficits is to cut taxes, not raise them, start winning elections again, how much faith can anyone have that we'll do what needs to be done? Yes, we can have a fiscal crisis. But if we do, it won't be because we've spent too much trying to create jobs and help the unemployed. It will be because investors have looked at our politics and concluded, with justification, that we've turned into a banana republic.

Of course, flirting with crisis is arguably part of the plan. There has always been a sense in which voodoo economics was a cover story for the real doctrine, which was "starve the beast": Slash revenue with tax cuts, then demand spending cuts to close the resulting budget gap. The point is that starve the beast basically amounts to deliberately creating a fiscal crisis, in the belief that the crisis can be used to push through unpopular policies, like dismantling Social Security.


Opinion | Republicans want to redo voodoo economics: Be afraid | Seattle Times Newspaper
Do you even know what you are talking about? Do you hear certain buzz words and judge that it's good or bad without knowing the process?

From the article...

Senate minority leader, confirmed that Kyl was giving the official party line: "There's no evidence whatsoever that the Bush tax cuts actually diminished revenue. They increased revenue, because of the vibrancy of these tax cuts in the economy.

This is true. Check the stats. Increased economic activity brings in more tax money. Tax cuts increase economic activity.
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Now there are many things one could call the Bush economy, an economy that, even before recession struck, was characterized by sluggish job growth and stagnant family incomes;

Sluggish job growth?? We had 95%+ employment. How much more can you grow?
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It's not true, of course. Ronald Reagan said that his tax cuts would reduce deficits, then presided over a near-tripling of federal debt.

It's not taxes only. It's both income and outflow. So even if the policies bring in more tax revenues, if Congress spends it like a drunken sailor - then yeah, there will be deficits.
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Stronger cost control for Medicare plus a moderate rise in taxes would get us most of the way there.


This suggestion of theirs is as much voodoo as anything else - especially when gov't employees are making way more in income that the people in private business who pay their salaries.



The solution is revenue and spending - both should be included in any talk of reducing deficits and debt.
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Old 09-20-2010, 12:10 PM
 
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B-b-but tax cuts and trickle-down worked so well last time. ....
So trickle-up poverty is a defensible economic policy? Really?


More fear-mongering from desperate Democrats.
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Old 09-20-2010, 01:32 PM
 
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B-b-but tax cuts and trickle-down worked so well last time.

GOP economics
Back up your statement. With data not cartoons.

What was the revenue prior to the tax cuts and what was the revenue after the tax cuts?

What were the employment numbers?

How many businesses were created?

How many people became millionares?

If you can't back it up, don't bring it up.
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Old 09-20-2010, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Back up your statement. With data not cartoons.

What was the revenue prior to the tax cuts and what was the revenue after the tax cuts?

What were the employment numbers?

How many businesses were created?

How many people became millionares?

If you can't back it up, don't bring it up.

Bush/Cheney economic policy result: deep and persistent recession

Clinton economic policy result: prosperous America

If you're obsessed with the numbers, google can help you out there.
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Old 09-20-2010, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Talking Want some fear mongering?

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So trickle-up poverty is a defensible economic policy? Really?
That's something that exists only in your imagination.

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More fear-mongering from desperate Democrats.
WMDs, anyone?
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Old 09-20-2010, 03:51 PM
 
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So trickle-up poverty is a defensible economic policy? Really?


More fear-mongering from desperate Democrats.
It's not poverty up, it's average working americans up. You can't build a house from the roof down. Clinton proved this with the biggest surplus in US history.
Also there is no trickling down going on now. The stock market is booming showing the big corporations and rich are doing well. Instead of "trickling down" they are hording it for themselves.
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