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Can you honestly say you approved of the way this bill came to be, the way it was passed, the back room deals, vote buying, legislative chicanery employed by the democrats?
Pot, meet kettle! It's like sausage; you don't want to see it being made!
It ALREADY is - why do you think the law is so unpopular...right now?
We have seen all the nasty details come out, things we should have known about (well, SOME of us tried to warn you) well before the vote was taken. Congress didn't read the bill, they voted on a bill, party line vote, 2000+ pages, that WILL fundamentally change our HC system...without reading and understanding what was in it.
Can you honestly say you approved of the way this bill came to be, the way it was passed, the back room deals, vote buying, legislative chicanery employed by the democrats?
58.5% of Americans have employer sponsored health insurance and have not really been impacted as yet. Another 46.3 million Americans don't have any health insurance so have not been impacted. Right now, it is a minority who are feeling any negative effects.
As you know from my comments in other threads, I believe that health care in the USA is fundamentally broken. Obamacare has attempted to put a band aid on parts of it but has not addressed the cost issues which are fundamental to the problem. At some point, politicians are going to have to deal with structural reform of the system. This will probably happen when the political consequences of not doing it outweigh the benefits of the current system to vested interests.
It is easy to be in opposition to what Obama is trying to do. It is much harder to come up with a workable structural fix.
The health care bill we passed is basically IDENTICAL to one proposed by the republicans during the Clinton years, in response to Hillary Care. That's what's insane about this entire debate. The only reason the republicans are opposing the bill now is because the Dem's won it, and they don't want them to have 15 seconds of credit for anything. It's disgusting...this country is a mess, and all these people care about is power.
I agree. The opponents of this law are totally dishonest. The law is not even remotely close to what the progressives actually wanted (the public option, which was shot down). The law is also just a federal version of Romneycare in Mass.
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Oh, for G*d's sake! Licensing is for the protection of the public.
The idea of "de-licensing" the health care professions is just plain nuts!
The question is, does the PUBLIC really NEED this protection? I think not. If people choose to go to a board certified MD or DO, they have the right to do so and pay the fees for it. But if other doctors with less training or foreign training or training at non AMA certified schools want to practice and people want to go see them, why should they not have that right?
A lot of this is not about "protecting the public" but more about limiting competition and driving up cost. It is the same thing in the legal profession. Most states require you to attend an "ABA approved" law school to get a law license in that state. But California will let you take the bar exam without having went to an ABA school. In fact you can sit for the California exam by going to a correspondence law school. And I doubt that California has many quack lawyers because the EXAM itself weeds out those who are not legally competent.
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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The AMA does not certify or license anyone. Licensure is a function of the state. Certification is a function of specialty boards eg American Board of Internal Medicine which certifies internists and all other IM subspecialists. The AMA has nothing to do with any of it.
I know that. My argument is that licensure is not needed and that the AMA, FACS and other medical PRIVATE organizations can do the job of testing and certifying medical professionals.
Everyone should be responsible for their own health. having employers and the gov involved is stupid and very expensive. be responsible for yourself and you will probably eat better and stay in shape rather than depending on someone else to fix you after you ruined your body. be free from this garbage
I couldn't think of a dumber move politically than a stunt like that. You'd be essentially taking away a "travesty" from parents who can now cover their children, or patients who can now get insurance regardless of "pre existing conditions."
Is the GOP dumb enough to try and repeal health care for Americans? I didn't think they would be, but guess I was wrong.
First - We need to remove the private sector insurance companies from the health care process. The savings in excessive salaries and profits will pay for most of the system.
Second - We need to stop the pharmaceutical industry from violating the patent laws and restricting trade in medicines. If a drug sells for less in Canada or Mexico it should sell for the same price in the US.
Third - We still require certification of medical professionals. Otherwise the uncertified would be providing unsafe procedures for those that could not afford to go to the certified doctors. The result would be like using uncertified electricians to wire your house. You would be far more likely to die in an electrical fire. Certification of doctors and electricians is cheaper than the alternative.
Fourth – We still need most of the provisions that require insurance companies to pay form preexisting conditions and long term care. These are the most important parts of the existing legislation. After November we should be able to rewrite the bill to get rid of the insurance companies. They can then sell phony auto insurance of rigged life insurance policies.
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