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Old 09-21-2010, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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while I agree that geneticly 'modified' anything can be scarey ( too include the geneticly modified to LOOK nice tomatoes (with LESS nutritional value), you do have to look at a few things:

1. if we dont allow some modification...there will be not enough food..we are overfishing, over slaughtering, and we (humans ) are over populating

2. its not just us...If we stop it here (the FDA), there is no control on what china, france, or any other country might/might not do

3. It might be a good thing too
Farmed salmon wherever it's farmed in natural waterways is a danger to the environment, the wild fish population and to our health. Adding a genetically modified version that required bigger pens and more feed is compounding what is already a dangerous situation, exponentially.

We won't be able to overfish them once they no longer exist in the wild, which will happen if we continue the practice of fish farming as it's currently done!

"In British Columbia, Chile, Ireland, Norway, Scotland and elsewhere, Fish Farms are placed strategically at the mouth of pristine rivers where adult salmon go to spawn in the fall. For centuries these waters have provided a doorway for young Salmon to enter a new life in the ocean current. Now, scientists and commercial fisherman are saying the door is bolted shut by the locks and hinges of Salmon Farms. They proclaim Salmon Farms are literally killing off smolt (young Salmon) as they begin to make their journey from river to sea."

"Burrows reported, in 2003, that British Columbia saw sea lice, the largest problem in Salmon Farms, reducing the run of smolt on Vancouver island from 3.5 million to 147,000."


FISHING INDUSTRY: Scientists Claim Salmon Farming Kills Wild Salmon | The Erie Wire | Beta

You want to grow these creatures in tanks like they have at SeaWorld? Be my guest. But get them, and keep them, out of our natural habitats!
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Old 09-21-2010, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Florida
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There won't be any of it if we keep destroying their delicate ecosystem! For crying out loud, I thought this topic, at least, would be a no-brainer. We're not just talking about the environment, per se, either. We're talking about a huge industry that is the livelihood for thousands of Americans. Do you want what happened to the fishermen (and women) in the Gulf region when their livelihood was cut off temporarily by the oil spill, to happen to Alaskans permanently? Because that's the potential of what we're talking about here.
Too many people, not enough fish. That's the problem. Currently 70% of salmon is farmed, and even with that, they can barely keep up with the demand.

PS 80% of all farmed salmon is from Europe. No one says they will farm the super salmon only in Alaska.
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Old 09-21-2010, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Oh please! As though in Miami you don't have access to plenty of other fresh salt water fish?

I'm landlocked and it is a luxury for me, once a year if I am lucky. I can live with that and eat other fish from my immediate area that I actually catch.
Yes, we get mahi-mahi and other fish, but the local waters are being overfished, and most of the fish we get in the grocery stores are from Chile, and other South Amercan countries, and practically all salmon available is farmed.
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Old 09-21-2010, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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Too many people, not enough fish. That's the problem. Currently 70% of salmon is farmed, and even with that, they can barely keep up with the demand.

PS 80% of all farmed salmon is from Europe. No one says they will farm the super salmon only in Alaska.
I don't really care about the demand for farmed salmon. If the only way to feed people salmon is to destroy the environment and the wild salmon population, then people will just have to get used to eating less salmon, or we'll have to find a way to farm them in gigantic fish tanks.

Farmed salmon is not only dangerous to the wild population, it's also hazardous to our health, especially when compared to wild-caught salmon.

"[T]he Department of Agriculture says farmed salmon contains almost twice the total fat, more than twice the saturated fat and fewer beneficial omega-3 fatty acids than wild salmon.†In fact grain feed has replaced the omega-3 rich wild bait fish, that wild salmon are accustomed to feeding. The result is salmon who feed on grain have higher concentrations of omega-6′s. This high concentration of Omega-6′s in our diets is said to be a major contributor to increased inflammation, which is said to be the start of most medical ailments."
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Old 09-21-2010, 02:49 PM
 
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"[T]he Department of Agriculture says farmed salmon contains almost twice the total fat, more than twice the saturated fat and fewer beneficial omega-3 fatty acids than wild salmon.†In fact grain feed has replaced the omega-3 rich wild bait fish, that wild salmon are accustomed to feeding. The result is salmon who feed on grain have higher concentrations of omega-6′s. This high concentration of Omega-6′s in our diets is said to be a major contributor to increased inflammation, which is said to be the start of most medical ailments."
This makes me think of Americans as being overly "farmed'.
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Old 09-21-2010, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I don't really care about the demand for farmed salmon. If the only way to feed people salmon is to destroy the environment and the wild salmon population, then people will just have to get used to eating less salmon, or we'll have to find a way to farm them in gigantic fish tanks.
We need to find ways to produce more food because the there are more mouths to feed every year. They already figured out how to produce more rice in US and now we produce 12% of all the rice in the world. Half of it is exported, while the other half is consumed in US and we even make beer out of it. Or should I say 'bier', as they say in Germany.
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Old 09-21-2010, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Sacramento, Ca
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We need to find ways to produce more food because the there are more mouths to feed every year. They already figured out how to produce more rice in US and now we produce 12% of all the rice in the world. Half of it is exported.
We produce plenty of food, this is simply about profit, not feeding the starving with salmon.
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Old 09-21-2010, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Clearwater Florida
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I'm waiting to try it, I heard the next version, the T-2000 will have a natural viagra/human growth hormone base in it. That half pound salmon steak will make you a bodybuilder with a hard-on, it might almost make the third testicle and the abnormally-large forehead worthwhile. We've been playing God with Cows and Pigs for quite some time, since when did everyone adopt fish as their species of pristine genetics? I heard Barry Bonds and Jose Canseco will be the spokesmen, Sammy Sosa will have a bit part in their first ads.


What side effects?
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Old 09-21-2010, 03:34 PM
 
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In this country, nobody gives a damn about food. Sad, but true.

This country also allows anything...GM foods, farmed animals, preservatives, sustainable chemicals, etc. Most of the stuff allowed here are BANNED in Canada/Europe.

GM foods are bad for your overall health...and is hard on organs.

There needs to be a ban on fishing wild fish so they can repopulate. Salmon don't reproduce fast.

Farmed salmon is good for those that don't care. Me, they taste like ass.
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Old 09-21-2010, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Almost 80% of the food in the supermarkets have GMO ingredients or are GMO themselves.
This frankenfood needs to be regulated by the EPA, not the FDA.

It's been going on for years now. They've moved to animals now.
Fish. There's also GM pigs if folks haven't been following the likes of what the "CHEMICAL" companies have been doing.

The fish will be sold and make their way into the food chain just like the seeds from GM crops have worked their way into the wild. We're past the point where it can be stopped.

I was pretty active about it years ago..but Monsanto is too big, too powerful and has deep pockets and have their folks IN the government agencies approving their studies.

Now here comes AquaBounty with their GM fish and adamantly telling the government that labeling this fish is not needed since their GM fish is just as good and healthy as wild fish

So..beware because the genetic labeling of food can be kept a secret as is Country of Origin labeling.(COOL).
Took years just to get COOL on raw meats, fruits and vegetables.

One by one..my choices for fish are dwindling.
I will end up only being able to eat the catfish from my pond when all is said and done.
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