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I spent quite a bit of time on the Pacific coast of Mexico years back and made many friends. The one thing I learned quickly was not to refer to the USA as "America" to a native Mexican...they will quickly correct you and remind you that Mexico is part of the Americas.
This thread confused some as they went off on tangents revolving around dates and legal documentation of who owned what. The reality is that there were people from what is now Mexico inhabiting what is now the USA before we deemed that land ours through a war of agression, maps, acquisitions and declarations.
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In reality what you propose is not going to work. You want unlimited immigration - the cheapest possible labor but there's no way that we can maintain that.
Oh no. I neither proposed it, nor want the cheapest possible labor. In fact, hell no. I've actually changed my habits due to the abuse the illegal workers suffer under the agriculture and meatpacking industry. I buy only local grown produce; I NEVER buy any meat from any of the companies that are know to use illegal labor. I'm slowly weaning myself off of meat, period. I will not support labor abuse.
The cheap labor types, the uneducated and unskilled cannot afford the high cost of living in the USA so they require food stamps, Medicaid, WIC, and government housing. They breed out of control which is the biggest reason they can't make it back in their own countries.
I've heard this rant so many times it's pointless to argue. It is, however, not true.
Sure you elites crave this cheap labor - but you really can't have it your way for long. Your cheap servants require too many taxpayer monies to provide them the support that you don't want to provide them. And as they breed at much higher rates, they soon overwhelm the ability of taxpayers to provide for them.
^^^^ That statement has been addressed. I'm doing something about the meat and ag. industry that abuses these people. What are you doing? I bet you buy your cheap meat at Wally world.
There are over 2 billion impoverished people throughout the world and you simply cannot bring them all here - not as our welfare class and not for your dirt cheap servants.
I don't want to bring them all here. What I want is a fair immigration overhaul that works, not some antiquated system that takes years and years to become a naturalized citizen. Yes, we will need to have limits and enforce those limits. We don't need some vigilante, fat, ugly, bald white guy with a chip on his shoulder 'guarding' the border.
Tenochtitlan (Mexico) covered an estimated 3.1 to 5.2 sq mi, situated on the western side of the shallow Lake Texcoco.
Agreed. Obviously he was pandering to his audience.
The second paragraph in post #112 pretty much sums up what it's about.
Besides that, although there are lots of ethnic groups in Mexico, including to the north of Mexico City, Aztecs has been kind of a synonym for Mexicans for a long time.
I note that the country of Italy did not exist prior to 1861. And yet, we find references to "Italians" older than the Roman Empire.
Once again, the right leaps pointlessly at what they think is a mistake and prove they are not really all that smart.
No, they really aren't. They think they are being clever when they talk about the country being founded in 1776 and Mexico as an independent country later, but, completely ignore the fact that what is now Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, etc. were not considered part of the U.S. that was founded in 1776 and still were not until some time after Mexico gained its independence from Spain. The town noted below is just ten minutes from me:
"Mesilla was established by a group of lifetime Mexican residents when the territory of New Mexico was acquired by the United States in 1848. Wishing to remain Mexican, they left Las Cruces, moved a few miles west across the new border of the Rio Grande, and established their village in Mexican territory. All this effort was for naught, because the Rio Grande not only changed its path in 1865 putting both Las Cruces and Mesilla east of the river, but the whole area had already been annexed by the United States in 1854."
People iare woefully ignorant of the history of the southwestern part of this country - it certainly wasn't covered in any of the history books I studied 40-odd years ago so I guess many could be excused their ignorance regarding Don Juan de Onate and his travels along the Camino Real. Note that while his explorations were financed by the Spanish crown, he himself was born in Mexico, around 1550.
And libs thought George Bush was dumb? Aren't progressives supposed to be the educated, elite types? The ones who gleefully point out others' spelling errors or laugh at word mispronouncement? They did that a lot when Quayle and Bush Jr. were in office. They're curiously silent when the uber-intellectual Obama flubs up, often.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised at Obama's latest intellectual gaffe. Our "brave, diverse world leader" thinks Europe is a country after all.
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And libs thought George Bush was dumb? Aren't progressives supposed to be the educated, elite types? The ones who gleefully point out others' spelling errors or laugh at word mispronouncement? They did that a lot when Quayle and Bush Jr. were in office. They're curiously silent when the uber-intellectual Obama flubs up, often.
