Palestinians, never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity
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(1)I haven't heard much about injecting people into Israel, but I have heard a lot about Israel expanding settlements and "injecting" people into Palestinian territory.
(2)I know there is a lot of history here, but why not just pick a line and quit trying to keep moving it?
(1) The PA Two State Solution is no Jews in the Palestinian State and the right of return into the Israeli State.
(2) Israel has gotten tired of about a half dozen Peace initiatives going absolutely nowhere. So they continue to build their wall and once its finished there will be a Arab side (which is 94% of the West Bank) and an Israeli side. Israel is not just going to sit on its hands and do nothing. Its moving forward and building towns on land it owned before the 1949 Armistice and were forced off of. If you read the news, no people are coming up claiming these swaths of land since they would have to bring deeds to prove it. So the the PA instead states its land they want for their future state. Now Jordan has added another kink into this mess. They've stated that they don't want a common border with the Palestinian State. So now we end up with a Catch-22. And if Egypt keeps on going the way it is, they will claim the same thing (as they have already built a buffer zone, but it isn't news since its Arabs vs Arabs).
I haven't heard much about injecting people into Israel, but I have heard a lot about Israel expanding settlements and "injecting" people into Palestinian territory.
I wonder why we as a nation continue to involve ourselves in the affairs of the Palestinians and the Israelis. Israel is all grown up now. They don't need their jolly old Uncle Sam to fight their battles for them or to hold their hands. This conflict is none of our business and quite frankly we as a nation can no longer afford to play sugar daddy to anyone.
I wonder why we as a nation continue to involve ourselves in the affairs of the Palestinians and the Israelis. Israel is all grown up now. They don't need their jolly old Uncle Sam to fight their battles for them or to hold their hands. This conflict is none of our business and quite frankly we as a nation can no longer afford to play sugar daddy to anyone.
The US gov't needs to drop from their agenda the Israeli/Palestinian issue. Its internal to them, so let them deal with it. Americans need to stop these stupid boycotts and BDS movements against Israel and use all the free time they seem to have to fight to gain back the rights we once had pre-9/11.
BTW can someone move the UN to a nice peaceful nation where they can freely run their Arab agenda. Syria sounds like a good fit.
Of Israeli and Palestinian leaders who was born in Palestine?
Interesting reading;
ISRAELI LEADERS:
BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, - Born 21 October 1949 in Tel Aviv.
EHUD BARAK, - Born 12 February 1942 in Mishmar HaSharon, British Mandate of Palestine.
ARIEL SHARON, - Born 26 February 1928 in Kfar Malal, British Mandate of Palestine.
EHUD OLMERT, - Born 30 September 1945 in Binyamina-Giv'at Ada, British Mandate of Palestine.
ITZHAK RABIN, - Born 1 March 1922 in Jerusalem British Mandate of Palestine.
ITZHAK NAVON,- Israeli President in 1977-1982. Born 9 April 1921 in Jerusalem, British Mandate of Palestine.
EZER WEIZMAN, - Israeli President in 1993-2000. Born 15 June 1924 in Tel Aviv, British Mandate of Palestine.
ARAB “PALESTINIAN” LEADERS:
YASSER ARAFAT, - Born 24 August 1929 in Cairo, Egypt.
SAEB EREKAT, - Born April 28, 1955, in Jordan. He has the Jordanian citizenship.
FAISAL ABDEL QADER AL-HUSSEINI, - Born in1948 in Bagdad, Iraq.
SARI NUSSEIBEH, - Born in 1949 in Damascus, Syria.
MAHMOUD AL-ZAHAR, - Born in 1945, in Cairo, Egypt.
So, Israeli leaders, who were born in Palestine, are “Settlers" or "Invaders”.
While Palestinian Arab leaders who were born in Egypt, Syria, Iraq and Tunisia are “Native Palestinians”???!!!
And now lets add another item to the list of Palestinian demands during the talks:
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Erekat also said that the PA demands that Israel compensate the so-called “Palestinian refugees” whether they decide to stay in their own countries, move to the Palestinian state, or return to Israel.
The Palestinians reject the phrase "two states for two peoples". What they object to is the words "for two peoples", meaning the Palestinian people and the Jewish People. That is a rejection of a core principle, without which there can not possibly be a peace agreement.
Why do they reject that phrase? Because what they want is two states: one of which is the official Palestinian state. The other is a state consisting of Jews and a large minority of Palestinianian Arabs. Their plan is to increase that minority by injecting Israel with hordes of so-called "refugees". With their high birth rate, that minority would eventually become a majority.
And that's why they refuse to recognize Israel as a homeland for the Jewish people, even with a Palestinian state. That position will kill any chance of peace.
Well, if that's the case then wouldn't the Jews be doing the same thing by not giving up all their illegal settlements on the west bank which, according to the negotiations would become a Palestinian state?
If the Israelis want their own state free of Palestinians then they need to move out of the Palestinian state on the west bank. But you and I know they will never do that. They claim Jerusalem as their capital even though it is in the West Bank.
Taken from another source, but echos my sentiments:
"Israel captured the West Bank and Gaza in entirely defensive wars, and thus should be considered a legitimate form of what is being called now occupation. Countries have captured and annexed territories in purely offensive wars and have kept the territory at no cost to the “occupying country.”
Now let us look at the history of modern day Israel and see how a country, which preaches and wants peace, is continually denied peace. First the date November 29th, 1947 is important. This is the day when the United Nations, in its infancy, came up with the original offer of partitioning what was then the Palestine Mandate into two separate countries, one Jewish and one Arab. At this time, the Jews accepted the offer while the Arabs of the Palestine Mandate and the Arab countries of the world refused to even acknowledge the offer as valid, viewing even the creation of one small Jewish State as being an evil idea.
Then, in 1948, five Arab countries attacked the new state of Israel, which only wanted to live in peace with their Arab neighbors. Part of the Arab countries’ strategy was to tell many Palestinian Arabs to move out of their homes and join the war effort. Many Palestinian Arabs did join the Arab armies, however they could not return to their homes, seeing as the Arab armies lost this war. This is the true source of the Palestinian “refugee” problem. The Arab countries of old have basically created a modern day political pawn that they have been trying to use to cause Israel to be wiped off the face of the earth.
The next Israeli war we should note is the 1967 war known as the Six Day War. This war was started preemptively by Israel in order to ward off an Egyptian invasion. When Israel attacked Egypt, Syria responded and attacked Israel. It is of course important to note that at this point Jordan was controlling the old city in Jerusalem and the West Bank, Egypt controlled Gaza and the Sinai Peninsula, and Syria controlled the Golan Heights. Jordan was originally reluctant to attack Israel, and Israel had promised that it would not try to capture any of Jordan’s holdings if Jordan did not enter the war. However, Jordan ended up joining the assault.
Israel won this defense-motivated war, in the end capturing the Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and the Golan Heights. Then, something that had never occurred in the history of the victorious powers in a war: Israel, being the victor in the Six Day War, had to sue for peace with Egypt, who had been the major aggressor in this war. This is when the U.N. created Resolution 242, in which Israel would pull out of a captured territory and return it to the country of it’s origin if the country of origin cease acts of aggression and recognized Israel’s right to exist.
Then, in 2005, former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon called for a unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip. This decision caused many Israelis then living in the Gaza Strip to lose their homes, businesses, and most of their money, and many of them have yet to recover fully. Did the withdrawal cause a cease of violence originating from Gaza? No, we have actually seen an increase of violence since the withdrawal. Hamas has essentially taken almost complete control of Gaza and they have made it abundantly clear that they will not compromise with Israel.
Another irony here is that on November 29th, 1947 the UN offered the original partition plan that the Israelis had accepted but the Palestinians had rejected. Now lets fast forward 65 years. On November 29th, 2012 we see that the UN General assembly votes with a majority to grant the Palestinians non-member status. Why do the Palestinians get to change their mind and finally go the extra mile for independence 65 years later? Why didn’t they just accept the partition plan in 1947 that could of saved thousands of lives? It is my opinion that the only way we will be able to even try to accomplish peace is if the Palestinians admit that because of the conflict they started, innocent lives were lost."
Taken from another source, but echos my sentiments:
"Israel captured the West Bank and Gaza in entirely defensive wars, and thus should be considered a legitimate form of what is being called now occupation. Countries have captured and annexed territories in purely offensive wars and have kept the territory at no cost to the “occupying country.”
Now let us look at the history of modern day Israel and see how a country, which preaches and wants peace, is continually denied peace. First the date November 29th, 1947 is important. This is the day when the United Nations, in its infancy, came up with the original offer of partitioning what was then the Palestine Mandate into two separate countries, one Jewish and one Arab. At this time, the Jews accepted the offer while the Arabs of the Palestine Mandate and the Arab countries of the world refused to even acknowledge the offer as valid, viewing even the creation of one small Jewish State as being an evil idea.
Then, in 1948, five Arab countries attacked the new state of Israel, which only wanted to live in peace with their Arab neighbors. Part of the Arab countries’ strategy was to tell many Palestinian Arabs to move out of their homes and join the war effort. Many Palestinian Arabs did join the Arab armies, however they could not return to their homes, seeing as the Arab armies lost this war. This is the true source of the Palestinian “refugee” problem. The Arab countries of old have basically created a modern day political pawn that they have been trying to use to cause Israel to be wiped off the face of the earth.
The next Israeli war we should note is the 1967 war known as the Six Day War. This war was started preemptively by Israel in order to ward off an Egyptian invasion. When Israel attacked Egypt, Syria responded and attacked Israel. It is of course important to note that at this point Jordan was controlling the old city in Jerusalem and the West Bank, Egypt controlled Gaza and the Sinai Peninsula, and Syria controlled the Golan Heights. Jordan was originally reluctant to attack Israel, and Israel had promised that it would not try to capture any of Jordan’s holdings if Jordan did not enter the war. However, Jordan ended up joining the assault.
Israel won this defense-motivated war, in the end capturing the Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and the Golan Heights. Then, something that had never occurred in the history of the victorious powers in a war: Israel, being the victor in the Six Day War, had to sue for peace with Egypt, who had been the major aggressor in this war. This is when the U.N. created Resolution 242, in which Israel would pull out of a captured territory and return it to the country of it’s origin if the country of origin cease acts of aggression and recognized Israel’s right to exist.
Then, in 2005, former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon called for a unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip. This decision caused many Israelis then living in the Gaza Strip to lose their homes, businesses, and most of their money, and many of them have yet to recover fully. Did the withdrawal cause a cease of violence originating from Gaza? No, we have actually seen an increase of violence since the withdrawal. Hamas has essentially taken almost complete control of Gaza and they have made it abundantly clear that they will not compromise with Israel.
Another irony here is that on November 29th, 1947 the UN offered the original partition plan that the Israelis had accepted but the Palestinians had rejected. Now lets fast forward 65 years. On November 29th, 2012 we see that the UN General assembly votes with a majority to grant the Palestinians non-member status. Why do the Palestinians get to change their mind and finally go the extra mile for independence 65 years later? Why didn’t they just accept the partition plan in 1947 that could of saved thousands of lives? It is my opinion that the only way we will be able to even try to accomplish peace is if the Palestinians admit that because of the conflict they started, innocent lives were lost."
We've gone over this multiple times. So let's simplify this. The Palestinian LEADERSHIP does not want peace or to coexist. The LEADERSHIP still wants ALL of it. They are simply going through the motions in order to get free money from other countries.
If you were the current president of the PA, were currently in your NINTH year of your FOUR presidency and getting a $12 Million yearly paycheck would you really want Peace to break out?
If you were the widow of the previous president and were getting $22 Million yearly from the PA (Fatah=PLO), would Peace be in your best interest?
If you were the leader of Hamas, lived a lavish lifestyle, had Millions from your Black Market economy, would peace be in your best interest?
Want the PEOPLE to have a choice in their futures, then numerous countries need to stop writing checks to the PA. Instead have the money needs to go to the people by creating jobs by forcing the money to go to actual projects. Here are links:
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While Israeli building in the West Bank has received the world's attention, much more residential construction is being done by Palestinians, as foreign assistance creates jobs and put money into people's pockets.
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