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The White House on Saturday invoked the state secrets privilege to toss a lawsuit brought by civil liberties groups against an assassination plan against terrorists that would also target a U.S. citizen.
According to the Associated Press, the administration invoked the rule that asserts court proceedings and evidence revealed in such would endanger national security. Defense Secretary Robert Gates, in the declaration filed in federal court, said he was invoking the military and state secrets privilege because of information that could be disclosed on possible military operations in Yemen.
Truly amazing. Not even GWB went this far, targeting for assassination a US citizen - no charges, no trial, no jury, just POW!.
This, above any other promise obama has broken, any other lie he has told, any other "abuse of power" he has engaged in, MUST have the Left in this country apoplectic, right.....right?
Let's hear from some of the Leftists what they think of this.
They are too busy defending unconstitutional legislation and worrying about Palin, tea partiers,witchcraft, Fox news, blah blah blah...
Yeah, their response will be predictable - a big ole *yawn*.
Surely, we ALL remember their reaction with Bush in charge of what they deemed "abuses" of power, like wiretapping terrorists. If they want to retain a shred of credibility, they need to come out and condemn obama for going far, far beyond what Bush ever did.
Truly amazing. Not even GWB went this far, targeting for assassination a US citizen - no charges, no trial, no jury, just POW!.
This, above any other promise obama has broken, any other lie he has told, any other "abuse of power" he has engaged in, MUST have the Left in this country apoplectic, right.....right?
Let's hear from some of the Leftists what they think of this.
He is a terrorist living (hiding) in Yemen, which makes him a target of to be taken out just like we have done with other terrorists, his nationality makes zero difference. Now, if he wants to be protected under our laws as a citizen then he needs to turn himself over to US officials, we know that will not happen. FYI, Bush targeted terrorists while in office, who knows if any US citizens abroad working with terrorists were killed, it does not matter. As for any fake outrage on the part of the far-right, save it, no ones believes you are against killing terrorists no matter their citzenship and if you really are then you have sided with terrorists for political reasons.
Casper
Perhaps the devil is in the details and those who rest their case upon the concept that because we're dealing with a US citizen rather than
the archetypal foreign "terrorist", we should "play fair" and in accordance with constitutional values, the old American way, must begin to put
the whole issue into a proper and contemporary perspective. The old way of life is history, everything that it took to get us here and now, is
behind us. The government has marked this man with due cause and although these charges against him are seen by many US citizens as being
allegory and unproven, he still has the right to due process of law. I'm sure that the government would like to prosecute him in a court of law
but Awlaki won't step forward in defense of himself, he's in hiding. This is an isolated event and it is not precedent setting, America has always
pursued it's enemies, it's traitors and the renegade terrorist citizen that works toward our destruction. I can assure you that Awlaki certainly isn't
concerned with your lives or your rights, so, why should you give a rat's-ass about his rights?
He is a terrorist living (hiding) in Yemen, which makes him a target of to be taken out just like we have done with other terrorists, his nationality makes zero difference. Now, if he wants to be protected under our laws as a citizen then he needs to turn himself over to US officials, we know that will not happen. FYI, Bush targeted terrorists while in office, who knows if any US citizens abroad working with terrorists were killed, it does not matter. As for any fake outrage on the part of the far-right, save it, no ones believes you are against killing terrorists no matter their citzenship and if you really are then you have sided with terrorists for political reasons.
Casper
Yep, I knew it. Trying to justify the assassination of an American citizen, who has had NO trial - we should just take the government's word for it.
I have NO doubt if Bush went this far outside the bounds of the law, the constitution, your reaction would be quite different.
Heck, the Left was a frothing mass of outrage about wiretapping and spying on terrorists.....but targeted assassinations of Americans...no biggy.
Its amazing because if Obama didn't do this, the righties would complain and say he is soft against terrorists. damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.
The old way of life is history, everything that it took to get us here and now, is behind us.
So that means the US won't be murdering any more heads-of-state and won't be using threats and coercion and destabilizing the domestic affairs of a country to steal its resources?
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The government has marked this man with due cause and although these charges against him are seen by many US citizens as being allegory and unproven, he still has the right to due process of law. I'm sure that the government would like to prosecute him in a court of law but Awlaki won't step forward in defense of himself, he's in hiding.
Another wannabe lawyer. You might try researching some case law on the number of people tried in abstentia in the US.
I guess the gubbermint only tries people in abstentia when it doesn't have amnesia.
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This is an isolated event and it is not precedent setting, America has always pursued it's enemies, it's traitors and the renegade terrorist citizen that works toward our destruction.
So then where is bin Laden?
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I can assure you that Awlaki certainly isn't concerned with your lives or your rights, so, why should you give a rat's-ass about his rights?
Well obviously Americans don't, which is why they scream, "Gimme oil! It's for Democracry!" while simultaneously funding oil dictatorships that deny anything democratic.
Its amazing because if Obama didn't do this, the righties would complain and say he is soft against terrorists. damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.
Yeah, especially since some of the people complaining about this order are the same people complaining on other threads that all 1.5 billion Muslims are possible terrorists and not to be trusted because it's an evil religion. But target one of the top Al Qaeda figures who happens to be an American citizen and suddenly Obama's overstepping his powers.
And honestly I wasn't really that surprised or concerned with the wire-tapping during the Bush era--I've always figured with today's technology that it was an obvious fact of life that our government would be monitoring communication networks.
Are the conservatives complaining about this order actually against targeting Alwaki or do you hate liberals more than you love America? But I'm sure they can all take comfort that they are standing on the same side of the issue at liberal civil liberty groups that have opposed this.
Yep, I knew it. Trying to justify the assassination of an American citizen, who has had NO trial - we should just take the government's word for it.
If he cant be brought to justice through normal channels what do YOU suggest? If these American citizens are a continued threat to our country, and basically untouchable, then I really don't care. I doubt you do either.
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