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Old 09-27-2010, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Because government is a cancer that grows until it is either radiated, drugged or cut into irrelevance--or it kills the host. The host (our economy) is barely functioning and hope of a decent quality of life for the next generation of Americans seems to be limited to the Political Class and those already retired and getting pensions plus Social Security.

Another local restaurant just closed here in Southern NH after 29 years of business on Route 1. I guess they didn't get the memo from Washington that the Depression (let's call it what it is) supposedly ended a year ago this June. They certainly did get the memo about impending Health Care mandates, which is devastating for labor-heavy businesses like restaurants.

I look at the commercial properties going up for foreclosure auction here in NH and wonder how any business can generate so much income as to pay $100,000 a year in property taxes, off the top. Are they getting $100,000 a year in government services? Of course not. And obviously, most businesses can't survive that kind of loss.

It is so sad to see NH go back to being the place I grew up in, where we had only one movie theater and no Kentucky Fried Chicken or Taco Bell. At least back then we had lots of open space and wildlife.

Time for some major Libertarian surgery.
Property taxes are a local issue, not federal, so if NH is leeching $100K in property taxes, that that only means you have elected a poor system in your state. You have only yourselves to blame, although it is always more convenient to balme someone else. There is a problem with people thinking that if they vote tea party or libertarians, then all their local issues will disappear, but it is not the case. We have high property tax in FL too, but I didn't blame it on Bush, or Obama or the Congeress, because it is a local issue.
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Old 09-27-2010, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Texas
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This bill would not be fair to our trade partners abroad. What if Germany, Korea, or Japan enacted similar legislation? Companies from those nations have literally thousands of manufacturing plants and supply webs in the US. If Japan enacted a law that taxed outsourcing from their companies, the states of Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia could easily add another 20% to their unemployment rates as several automotive assembly plants and their suppliers close their doors. Kia alone accounts for nearly 100,000 jobs between Alabama and Georgia.

So long as a single foreign country has a manufacturing plant in the USA we are hypocrites when it comes to criticizing outsourcing.

After all this, the US is still one of the largest manufacturing economy in the world, and one of the few post-industrial nations with its manufacturing sector intact.
How many of those Japanese or German companies closed a plant back home to build here? So far as I know, the answer is....none. They built here to meet the market.
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Old 09-27-2010, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Texas
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It isn't that we "give tax breaks to American companies who ship jobs overseas" as the President says, in one of the most cynical and damaging pieces of rhetoric he employs.

If it isn't that, what is it?
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Old 09-27-2010, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Texas
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this bill will kill more jobs than save

How?
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Old 09-27-2010, 04:19 PM
 
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Senate Democrats have decided on September 22, to make one last push for a job creation bill, before going back to their prospective districts to prepare for the mid-term elections. The bill S.3816 -Creating American Jobs and Ending Offshoring Act, is expected to be brought to the Senate floor, by next week.

Still, with the measures which a majority of Democrat Senators believe would improve job creation in America, Senate Republicans are still widely expected to vote against this bill, in preparation of the proximity of the 2010 Congressional elections.


Senate Democrats another Job Creation Bill but, it is not S.3706 - Detroit job search | Examiner.com

Republicans do not give a $hit about the American people. They are only only concerned with China and India and the corporations that outsource there. This is as clear as a bell and there is no excuse for this obvious spit in our collective face.
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Old 09-27-2010, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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So now the Dems are all pro-American ?

Yet, the Dems removed e-verify from the stimulus bill ?
Are the Dems reducing the number of H1B's we're allowing into the country this year or next ?

This bill will NOT protect Americans. The multi-nationals operate as separate companies in the various countries so taxing them will do no good; they are all subsidiaries.

You think those multi-nationals aren't already set up to take the best financial advantage for their companies ?
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Old 09-27-2010, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Republicans do not give a $hit about the American people. They are only only concerned with China and India and the corporations that outsource there. This is as clear as a bell and there is no excuse for this obvious spit in our collective face.
Why do you single out Republicans ?
Didn't the Dems remove e-verify from the stimulus bill thus allowing stimulus money to be spent on overseas labor ?
Didn't Clinton sign NAFTA which started the ball rolling ?

It's not Republicans..it's the companies themselves. Get labor costs in line with the other countries and then you can compete once again.
Companies go where they are able to make a profit. You want cheap stuff ? Then the labor cost has to be in line.
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Old 09-27-2010, 04:41 PM
 
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Why do you single out Republicans ?
Didn't the Dems remove e-verify from the stimulus bill thus allowing stimulus money to be spent on overseas labor ?
Didn't Clinton sign NAFTA which started the ball rolling ?
I've always faulted Clintin for NAFTA. What does it have to do with this issue now? It's the corporate w-**** Republicans that are blocking this. WHY? Are you saying that they should? Any representative that blocks a bill that will benefit the average American should be booted out on their ass. I support a voting record not a party affiliation. Who do you support and how did they vote on this?
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Old 09-27-2010, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I've always faulted Clintin for NAFTA. What does it have to do with this issue now? It's the corporate w-**** Republicans that are blocking this. WHY? Are you saying that they should? Any representative that blocks a bill that will benefit the average American should be booted out on their ass. I support a voting record not a party affiliation. Who do you support and how did they vote on this?
This bill will not fix the offshoring problem.
You cannot force Google to hire Americans in America and tax them if they decide to hire Chinese in China because Google in China is a subsidiary of Google in the US and not considered one single company who is hiring in China over the US.

Do a little research and you'll see this bill is nothing. Notice the big multi-nationals aren't complaining ?

A page from the CFR playbook:
http://www.cfr.org/publication/21777...ax_reform.html
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Old 09-27-2010, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Nevada
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In case some of you didn't notice, this is not a new bill, but one that ammends one that's been law since 1986, when Reagan was president.

After reading this ammended version of the bill, I'll have to agree with many here, there's too much lard added to it and it doesn't address the real problems and the reasons why many companies have moved overseas, two of which are greedy labor unions, and a greedy government that's not very friendly to businesses.

Companies that move their operations back to the United States will only gain the tax benefits for a short period of time, under some restrictions of course, and when that time expires, they'll go back to being ripped off by the government.

This may look good on the outside, but it's down right ugly on the inside, and in the long run, nobody will benefit from it.
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