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Old 09-27-2010, 02:51 PM
 
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And they wanted to impeach Bush/Cheney for a thousand times LESS.
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Old 09-27-2010, 02:52 PM
 
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On Spiegel I just read about an initiative called Going Dark, launched by Obama and various secret services to more or less secretly develop technologies to overhear and monitor any communications, both unencrypted and encrypted, national and international. Ironically, it is financed with millions of dollars from US taxpayers while trying to get rid of taxpayers' privacy.

Obama and the secret services are also preparing a new law that will allow secret services to overhear any communications, as usual using the terrorism pretext. Decentralized communication services such as peer-to-peer are a particular target as they have been very difficult to monitor in the past.
National and international providers and device manufacturers are to be forced to make it possible to monitor all future traffic.
Obama don't like nobody talking behind his back - so you better just quit it!
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Old 09-27-2010, 03:03 PM
Status: "It Can't Rain All The Time" (set 28 days ago)
 
Location: North Pacific
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If you aren't breaking the law, you don't have anything to worry about-Anonymous Progressive
Can any one say church committee? We've been in the dark, long time.

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The remaining reports are split into 7 volumes of public hearings and exhibits and 6 books which contain the Committee's writings on the various topics investigated. These 14 reports are the most extensive review of intelligence activities ever made public.
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Old 09-27-2010, 03:04 PM
 
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Not sure why you posted a Cass Sunstein essay under my quoted text. But, interesting read by Obama's Info Man.
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Old 09-27-2010, 03:14 PM
Status: "It Can't Rain All The Time" (set 28 days ago)
 
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Default CONSIDERATION OF H.R. 5349 Feb. 2008

Going dark: Mr. Hastings is recognized.
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We do not need the Protect America Act to protect Americans, the so- called Protect America Act. We do not need it to keep from going dark. But what we do need is the time and the attention to get this right. This is a serious, serious matter about protecting the safety of Americans but also about the definition, the relationship between the people of this country and their government. There has been a fundamental shift under the Protect America Act in the relationship between the people of this country and their government. It is whether or not the government regards the ordinary American with suspicion first. Think about it.
House Debate on FISA Amendments
(my bold for emphasis as to topic.)

PS: It was Mr. Holt that I quoted. It would help if I read the whole darn thing before I made a comment, my bad. The point I'd like to make though is most of us are not tuned into the goings on in the legislature and the laws that are passed.

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Old 09-28-2010, 04:53 AM
 
Location: Frederick. Md
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Did anyone see the Movie with Tom Cruz where they used people with Psychic Abilities to see crimes that people were thinking about committing? Are we headed in that direction? We are losing more and more of our Freedoms everyday this Administration is in office.
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Old 09-28-2010, 05:34 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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If you aren't breaking the law, you don't have anything to worry about-Anonymous Progressive
Ok, if you aren't breaking the law you shouldn't worry about it.
But does that give anyone, government or otherwise, the right to know your every move without doing anything to draw attention?
Don't you know where this stuff is going?
Total lack of personal freedoms and individual choices. Total monitoring and spying on everyones daily activities. No matter how harmless.
It's time to wake up and stop accepting the path to dictatorship, new laws, and the eventual chip under our skin so the government can track our every move, activity, location, etc.
It may not happen in my lifetime. I'm getting old. But it is coming.
And those that accept this kind of so called electronic monitoring for the good of all is speeding up the proccess of losing our daily freedom.
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Old 09-28-2010, 05:49 AM
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That chip you are talking about sounds a little like the "mark of the beast."
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Old 09-28-2010, 05:52 AM
 
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On Spiegel I just read about an initiative called Going Dark, launched by Obama and various secret services to more or less secretly develop technologies to overhear and monitor any communications, both unencrypted and encrypted, national and international. Ironically, it is financed with millions of dollars from US taxpayers while trying to get rid of taxpayers' privacy.

Obama and the secret services are also preparing a new law that will allow secret services to overhear any communications, as usual using the terrorism pretext. Decentralized communication services such as peer-to-peer are a particular target as they have been very difficult to monitor in the past.
National and international providers and device manufacturers are to be forced to make it possible to monitor all future traffic.
That's great. Where are the jobs?
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Old 09-28-2010, 05:54 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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I remember that earlier this year I was trying to help a translator friend of mine find an in-house job and on one of those site, I guess it was monster, there hundreds of job vacancies by a US secret service, all for language specialists, translators, interpreters of the most exotic languages. They all required special security clearing and other unusual stuff.
I wonder if that had to do with going dark
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