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What I said was that the US State Department acknowledges the foreign citizenship claim of foreign countries on those born abroad to US citizens and/or those born in the US to a non-US citizen parent(s).
huh????.... what i stated was that country "X" makes everyone born in the US also a citizen of "X".
i never said anything about US citizens born abroad.
Certain knuckleheads actually believe that British Nationality Act of 1948 implies sovereign dominion over American citizens of British parentage going back as far as the establishment of the first British colony.
Good grief. Do we really need to review what the US State Department has to say about dual nationals again?
huh????.... what i stated was that country "X" makes everyone born in the US also a citizen of "X".
i never said anything about US citizens born abroad.
Let's review. You posted:
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Originally Posted by wrecking ball
to the point that you said the country ( or state department ) wouldn't recognize citizenship if there wasn't some kind of family link to the country giving citizenship.
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
What I said was that the US State Department acknowledges the foreign citizenship claim of foreign countries on those born abroad to US citizens and/or those born in the US to a non-US citizen parent(s).
The final few statements are where the decision, and therefore the precedent, is found.
You are wrong. Precedent is found throughout the ratio decidendi of the decision.
And the definition of natural born citizen is absolutely part of the ratio decidendi of the ruling. So it is precedent.
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In the case of British citizenship, yes. The actual SCOTUS ruling on US citizenship defined Wong Kim Ark a CITIZEN, not a natural born citizen.
And what do real judges say about that? They call bullsh*t on it:
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Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. Just as a person “born within the British dominions [was] a natural-born British subject” at the time of the framing of the U.S. Constitution, so too were those “born in the allegiance of the United States [] natural-born citizens.”
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We note the fact that the Court in Wong Kim Ark did not actually pronounce the plaintiff a “natural born Citizen” using the Constitution‟s Article II language is immaterial.
So explain... how does a nation hold a citizen accountable to their "allegiance" if they do not even know they exist?
It's not very easy to remain completely anonymous. Birth certificates that must be presented for one reason or another, international travel, international residences, etc... All require that one produces one's documentation.
How did we all find out that Obama was registered as an Indonesian and a Muslim at an Indonesian school?
It's not very easy to remain completely anonymous. Birth certificates that must be presented for one reason or another, international travel, international residences, etc... All require that one produces one's documentation.
You did not answer the question. Let's try it again:
How does a nation hold a citizen accountable to their "allegiance" if they don't even know they exist?
This is not entirely a theoretical question... let me put a finer point on it. I am a dual citizen of the United States and Italy. Under Italian law (to which you point I am obligated to follow according to the State Department) I had an obligation to serve in the Italian military. I did not know I was a dual citizen. Italy did not know I even existed... even after I had traveled their twice.
How would Italy enforce my obligation to military service?
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How did we all find out that Obama was registered as an Indonesian and a Muslim at an Indonesian school?
An investigator went there specifically to find information on Obama's time in Indonesia.
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