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But of course, I had to make an affirmative act to have it recognized.
Correct. Your citizenship was not valid until you applied for it and it was approved/accepted.
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Just as Obama would have to if he ever wanted Great Britain to recognize his.
That's not true. If you believe otherwise, cite the law as it applied in 1961 at the time of Obama's birth, or any other British Government document stating such an act would have been necessary in Obama's case (birth to a British subject with no other citizenship).
The Italian Consulate of San Francisco is not a secondary source, it's the Italian Government's official representation in the US for that region. That would be the office to which one applies for Italian citizenship if one lives within their designated region. There are other Italian Consulates serving the same function in other areas of the US.
Why can't you keep track of your own argument? Last night you were relying on subsection (a), now that you have accepted that Obama was not born in a country where "His Majesty then has or had jurisdiction over British subjects;"
We'll stop right there, because what you've posted is incorrect. What makes you think the British soveriegn did not have jurisdiction over British subjects in the US? Note that even the US State Department acknowledges that dual nationals are obligated to obey the laws of both countries.
As such, the rest of your post is irrelevant.
We went through your flawed logic yesterday. You were shown why you were wrong. What about it do you still not understand?
We'll stop right there, because what you've posted is incorrect. What makes you think the British soveriegn did not have jurisdiction over British subjects in the US? Note that even the US State Department acknowledges that dual nationals are obligated to obey the laws of both countries.
As such, the rest of your post is irrelevant.
We went through your flawed logic yesterday. You were shown why you were wrong. What about it do you still not understand?
You are required to obey the laws of the nation where you currently are. Citizenship is irrelevant. That is pretty fundamental.
For example: A US citizen in Belgium is not allowed to carry a handgun just because it may be allowed in the US state she is from. However, she is only required to observe Belgian laws in matters such as drinking age and age of consent. The same applies to citizens of China, Brazil, Egypt, etc. In Belgium, the laws of Belgium are paramount, regardless of citizenship.
While some countries will pursue certain crimes even if they are comitted in other countries (suche as US tax law) those are exceptions.
They used to hand out litte leaflets about it when you left the US, remember you are subject to the laws of the country you are in. Citizenship does not generally matter for that.
Correct. Your citizenship was not valid until you applied for it and it was approved/accepted.
That comment gives uranium a running in the category of density. Where in anything we've covered has any Italian law or document referred to "vailidity?" You really, really, really need to stop making stuff up when your argument has been disproved by the direct quotation of relevant law. It does you no credit.
Here again is the relevant Italian law. It is essentially identical to the British equivalent. It is unqualified, unambiguous and absolutely determinative:
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1.The following shall be citizens by birth:
(a) children whose father or mother are citizens;
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That's not true. If you believe otherwise, cite the law as it applied in 1961 at the time of Obama's birth, or any other British Government document stating such an act would have been necessary in Obama's case (birth to a British subject with no other citizenship).
I cannot account for the location of the cerebral lesion that might account for your belief in the magical ability of the British government to know that somebody born overseas is their citizen without even knowing they exist.
Do you disagree that if Obama wanted a British Passport, he would have to actually apply for one?
Please.... I know that the intellectual bankruptcy of your arguments generally cannot be maintained without avoiding the answering of direct questions at every turn, but give this one a shot.
You are required to obey the laws of the nation where you currently are. Citizenship is irrelevant. That is pretty fundamental.
For example: A US citizen in Belgium is not allowed to carry a handgun just because it may be allowed in the US state she is from. However, she is only required to observe Belgian laws in matters such as drinking age and age of consent. The same applies to citizens of China, Brazil, Egypt, etc. In Belgium, the laws of Belgium are paramount, regardless of citizenship.
While some countries will pursue certain crimes even if they are comitted in other countries (such as US tax law) those are exceptions.
They used to hand out litte leaflets about it when you left the US, remember you are subject to the laws of the country you are in. Citizenship does not generally matter for that.
The US recognizes the citizenship claim of foreign countries on children born to foreign citizens in the US. The US acknowledges that persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice.
The Italian Consulate of San Francisco is not a secondary source, it's the Italian Government's official representation in the US for that region.
If the primary source is Italian law (and it is) then any Italian government paraphrase of that law is secondary. To understand this requires no more than the ability to count to two.
A Consulate is not even a primary diplomatic mission. It is secondary to the Embassy... of which there is only one.
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That would be the office to which one applies for Italian citizenship if one lives within their designated region. There are other Italian Consulates serving the same function in other areas of the US.
That would be a more compelling claim if you had shown us an "Application for Italian Citizenship." But you did not.
You showed us an application for "Recognition of Italian Citizenship."
So even the secondary source agrees that you are wrong.
Italy requires the long form birth certificate when applying for Italian citizenship
Unless you are suggesting that one must be an Italian citizen to be eligible for the Presidency of the United States, one can only wonder what you point is? Exactly?
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