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Are you claiming that the applicable Italian Consulate in the US is not the agency to which one born within its region would apply for Italian citizenship? Really?
No. I'm not. It's very bizarre that you might think so.
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Yes, because Italian citizenship must be recognized by Italy, it is not automatic. See the lengthy application process above.
How stupid. How does one recognize something that doesn't already exist?
The violence you do to the English language is often breathtaking.
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Note how the UK does not even require citizen children born abroad to register. They are automatically UK citizens.
That's not what it says. It says this:
"Children who have automatically become British citizens do not need to register."
It does not say "citizen children born abroad," You really have to stop making stuff up.
In fact the relvant guide makes great hay about the requirements to register children born abroad.
The point is that, ironically, Italy requires much more extensive documentation to establish citizenship than Obama has shown to 'claim' he is eligible to be POTUS.
I don't think you know what "irony" means.
Different purposes have different requirements. There is no irony in that.
Obama may not have turned out to be a very good President (so far, anyway), but he is not stupid. He knows whether or not he was born here and therefore was qualified for President. Does anyone really think he would have ran knowing he was not?
You do realize that Obama is on record stating that the US Constitution is too constraining in its limitation of state and federal authority, right?
yes... and to date no one in any position of authority has said having dual citizenship affects a person's NBC status. not congress, not the state department, not a constitutional scholar........
Jay's letter shows the intent of the natural born citizen clause to be the exclusion of foreigners. Obama was a foreign citizen at birth.
Jay's letter shows the intent of the natural born citizen clause to be the exclusion of foreigners.
....and as we know in jay's time, as with today, there are multiple definitions of "foreigner". some support your theory some don't. we have no way of knowing which definition jay was referring to.
I think a more interesting thread would be one investigating the psychology of birthers.
i'd love to see a psych evaluation done on orly taitz. any mind that can turn a simple car maintenance problem into a government conspiracy to assassinate her is truly amazing.
i'd love to see a psych evaluation done on orly taitz. any mind that can turn a simple car maintenance problem into a government conspiracy to assassinate her is truly amazing.
It's a mindset prevalent on the extreme Right, also the extreme Left.
To them the world is a simple black and white place.
Obama will always be ineligible, no matter what facts and logic and law dictate.
Just like Creationists. They have abandoned reason and any semblance of objectivity on the topic. Obama's eligibility is just a proxy for what they would really like to say in public, but they know they can't.
You continue to lie about the application. It is for recognition of citizenship, not an application for citizenship.
If Italy does not recognize it, it is not valid. The UK states those who automatically become UK citizens do not need to register.
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As usual, you dishonestly edit the source. You left out the second sentence.
When you read that page, you discover that Obama apparently does not qualify.
Based on what?
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That because it is not a reference to automatic citizenship at birth at all. That because it is not a reference to automatic citizenship at birth at all. It is a reference to the citizenship that was automatically granted under the British Nationality (No2) Act of 1964.
What it actually says is
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if you had the right of abode because you were registered under the British Nationality (No2) Act 1964, you will not normally have become a British citizen on 1 January 1983 unless your mother became a British citizen then.
Note that children who automatically became UK citizens, like Obama, do not need to register. The section that mentions the Act of 1964 is referring to those who did not automatically become UK citizens and therefore had to register.
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You really need to spend some time understanding the details. Your tendency to gloss without actually reading always seems to get you in trouble.
That's your flaw, not mine, as explained above.
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And yet you are too terrified to answer it. So it must not be all that ridiculous.
Here's the Italian law again
Terrified? No. I'll refer you to the Italian Consulate's position on this. Are you asserting that they are violating Italian law by not automatically recognizing Italian citizenship status?
Instead, they require extensive documentation, including long form birth certificates.
pretty funny and ironic in the debate but...... not really relevant. hawaii has already stated that since 2001 the COLB is the only official document they release for proof of birth. it meets all the specifications set by the state department.
do you believe that italy will refuse citizenship to all hawaiians born after 2001 or have lost their original copy?
Good question. Perhaps someone should ask the applicable Italian Consulate that question, and post the response with the name and contact info of the Italian Consulate official who responds...
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