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Old 09-29-2010, 12:31 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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Bet you could not have guessed that the democrats have total control either.

Obama already set aside a ton of money for 2011 for welfare.

He knew last year that his policies would cause a huge rise in welfare cases in America.

Its all in his plan. He knows if people are down and out it forces people to rely on the government. Exactly what he has learned and is trying to implement.
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Old 09-29-2010, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Bet you could not have guessed that the democrats have total control either.

Obama already set aside a ton of money for 2011 for welfare.

He knew last year that his policies would cause a huge rise in welfare cases in America.

Its all in his plan. He knows if people are down and out it forces people to rely on the government. Exactly what he has learned and is trying to implement.
Obama is doing a great job of following Saul Alinsky's plan for socialism right down the line.
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Old 09-29-2010, 01:20 PM
 
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I want to make a general comment here--I really don't understand this anger toward people who need help. Why do you assume that everyone who needs food stamps, unemployment or welfare is lazy? Right now there are 6 people applying for every job in this country--not everyone who's looking for work can find it. I'm glad to pay taxes to help people get through a crisis short term, because I'm looking at the bigger picture. If they fall completely on their face, lose their home, become homeless, etc. they become even more unemployable. The services they need are so much greater at that point--it's just more cost effective to help people when they need a hand up, and move them back toward being productive members of society, so that they're paying taxes themselves. Just don't give me the lecture on how it's "your money" they're spending--we're in the 33% tax bracket. I pay more than my fair share. We manage our money effectively, and we could easily absorb a percent or two increase in our taxes (although we're below the $250,000.00 mark) if it took that to get the country back on track. I don't want to pay taxes more than anyone else, but I also understand that it's my responsibility as an American to help, and I take that responsibility seriously.
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Food stamps are largely farm subsidies. Get rid of them and watch the farmers protest.

Personally I think it more than a bit petty to whine about a tiny bit of funding. That's exactly why I pay taxes: so we can help make sure that no one goes hungry here.
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This ain't rocket science!

When you have 44 million Americans living below the poverty line, it shouldn't come as much of a surprise that in the middle of this recession 40 million of those are taking advantage of a programs that was designed to give them aid!
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The time to deal with the "lifestyle" issue you refer to is when the job market is in good shape. When unemployment is high and the economy is poor, it is not the time to question motives of those less fortunate.

The reality is there are people who want jobs, can't get one, and have a family to feed.
It just makes my day to see and read of people with some sense. I'll be 41 in November and never, ever thought I'd see a time when I would be required to need government assistance. But here we are. It's obvious from many other posts that there is a serious "I'm better than you" problem in America.

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Well, they're not all lazy, but there's plenty of reasons to be wary....

September 28, 2010

Two narcotics investigations by several law enforcement agencies led to the arrests of nearly 100 people, including drug-dealing suspects in Evanston accused of using Link cards to buy narcotics instead of groceries.

Operation Hard Swipe started in April and targeted people in Evanston and Rogers Park whom authorities accused of selling drugs and funneling money to street gangs. As an example, authorities cited how a convenience store owner may pretend to sell a "customer" $100 worth of groceries, paid for with a Link card, but actually may give the person crack cocaine and $20. The owner then could keep the remaining money, defrauding taxpayers. Link cards are state-issued debit cards for food stamp recipients.
Yea, never mind the corruption and lies that swirl from our nations great capitol. You know what the saying is... "Shi* rolls downhill".

Researcher Suzanne Porter says while households headed by single women still make up the majority of SNAP beneficiaries, the number of adult men increased by 73 percent between 2005 and 2009.

2005 and 2009. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. People have families to feed and rent to pay. Always did that on my own until late 2008.

Porter says in 2009 there were 82,000 households applying for SNAP benefits in Oregon that had no record of ever applying for the program previously.

This isn't just Oregon.

OPB News · Recession Driving More Men To Food Stamps


Here's a link to an article that says it all. Read 'em and hopefully get some insight.

The Food Stamp Program is Growing to Meet Need — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities Revised July 12th, 2006.

The number of people in households that receive food stamps has grown from 17.2 million in 2000 to 25.7 million in 2005, and is projected to increase to almost 27 million in 2006.[1] Some have asked why food stamp participation has risen since 2000 and has continued to rise in recent years when the economy is relatively strong overall and the unemployment rate has held at around 5 percent.

Food stamp participation continued to rise after the overall unemployment numbers began to improve in 2004, in part because the gains from the economic recovery have not been strong among low-income working families.[2]

So for everyone out there that is complaining of the high number of welfare recipients, get over it, or create jobs.
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Old 09-29-2010, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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That's a great idea. If you're unemployeed anyway you have time to cook food. Cooking your own food is healthier than the frozen stuff anyway.

I heard they replaced the actual 'stamps' with a card so people buying groceries on food stamps just slide a card to pay for them like so many other people slide their ATM cards. That eliminates the stigma of using food stamps. I think we need to keep a certain level of stigma associated with it as an encouragement for people to get off of the programs as soon as they can. I personally spoke with one person who said she would have no problem using the food stamp system forever if she could use a card (she was not on food stamps so she didn't know if they use a card now or not). That is the wrong attitude and we should discourage it as much as we can.
The woman in the OP video did just as you suggest they do. I don't want to take anything from her but that is how she paid for her "food".
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Old 09-29-2010, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Not for long, when Demint gets done shutting down the government there won't be any Food Stamps, Social Security, Veterans Administration or Medicare
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Old 09-29-2010, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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That's only a small part of the reason for the switch from paper "stamps" to the EBT accounts. The cards track the balance on the grocery store receipt; it's easier to track what you've purchased and what you've got left. Many nutrition agencies are using that aspect of the EBT to teach people how to make wiser food choices and better manage their food budgets.

The EBT cards also help reduce fraud and theft because the cards require a PIN. Also, I've read studies that show people are less likely to sell their EBT cards than they were their food stamps -- they don't want to sell the whole thing, where with the stamps you could sell part of your monthly allotment.
You make a whole pile of sense here, but I wonder how much of the change was actually done to keep track of those people who use the cards. The deeper we get into this thing the more I wonder just how much of this is aimed at getting more people under the thumb of the government. I don't know but sure do wonder.
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Old 09-29-2010, 01:33 PM
 
Location: In the desert
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Not for long, when Demint gets done shutting down the government there won't be any Food Stamps, Social Security, Veterans Administration or Medicare

Oh & that will be great for the country won't it?
Grow up & realize but, for the grace of God go I.
If you think losing your job,home & health can't happen to you, then I hope it never does.
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Old 09-29-2010, 01:39 PM
 
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That's only a small part of the reason for the switch from paper "stamps" to the EBT accounts. The cards track the balance on the grocery store receipt; it's easier to track what you've purchased and what you've got left. Many nutrition agencies are using that aspect of the EBT to teach people how to make wiser food choices and better manage their food budgets.

The EBT cards also help reduce fraud and theft because the cards require a PIN. Also, I've read studies that show people are less likely to sell their EBT cards than they were their food stamps -- they don't want to sell the whole thing, where with the stamps you could sell part of your monthly allotment.
There was a big problem with food stamp users exchanging stamps for street drugs. It doesn't get any more corrupt than that, I wish we could have severly punished these druggies who abused the tax payers money.

Despite the stamps for drugs epedemic I would prefer we go back to using actual stamps instead of a card to swipe. We need to bring back some shame and stigma.
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Old 09-29-2010, 01:43 PM
 
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I have heard in recent days "Obama the Food Stamp President"

I am sure he will shortly blame GWB.
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Old 09-29-2010, 01:44 PM
 
Location: In the desert
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More people are getting food stamps because they are no longer making the wages they did previously or they are out of work.
This is not a conspiracy by Obama or the Dems. Our economy is in the toilet & the fault lies with both parties.
Tighter control of what people can buy with food stamps equals MORE gov control. Isn't that against a certain parties principles or is it another one of those things we are supposed to ignore while they shout 'less government' & really mean ' only when WE say so'?
Working together to bring our jobs back & create more of them is what we need to do.
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