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In 1997, President Clinton's Secretary of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), Henry Cisneros, was indicted on 18 counts of conspiracy, giving false statements and obstruction of Justice. He was pardoned by President Clinton in January 2001. Whether Scooter gets a pardon or not somewhere down the road remains to be seen.
It is amazing that you can downplay the Clinton pardons and then get yourself all in a lather over this one.
Only one of the two of us thinks I'm all in a lather over this one, and it isn't me. This is entirely expected. It's how the game is played, and particularly by this particular group, one which has repeatedly demonstrated its extraordinarily low regard for law and the rule of it.
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You and burdell have incredibly short memories to all of the scandals that your side was involved in.
I don't have a side in the sense that you wish to assign one. This isn't all some high school football game.
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Selling military secrets to the Chinese, Whitewater, and I could go on and on and on...
No military secrets sold to China. Nobody home at Whitewater. But I do believe you could go on and on and on.
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...not to mention the 140 pardons that Clinton did in his final hour, all of which were not for some fat sibling who only served half his time. You can't get a little bit pregnant you know.
The President shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment. That's from Article II, Section 2, of the US Constitution. The propriety of the use of this power is on the table, from the Whiskey Rebellion rebels (George Washington), to Eugene Debs (Warren Harding), to Jimmy Hoffa (Richard Nixon), to Marc Rich (Bill Clinton). Scooter Libby is on the table as well. I sense a reluctance to deal with that one except by deflection.
In 1997, President Clinton's Secretary of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), Henry Cisneros, was indicted on 18 counts of conspiracy, giving false statements and obstruction of Justice. He was pardoned by President Clinton in January 2001. Whether Scooter gets a pardon or not somewhere down the road remains to be seen.
Did Cisneros help lie us into a civil war in the Middle East, cost thousands of American lives, tens of thousands of Iraqi lives, and blow up a national deficit of millions of dollars? Did he expose US covert operatives and endanger the lives of their international contacts? Did tens of thousands of people die because of Cisneros?
In 1997, President Clinton's Secretary of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), Henry Cisneros, was indicted on 18 counts of conspiracy, giving false statements and obstruction of Justice. He was pardoned by President Clinton in January 2001. Whether Scooter gets a pardon or not somewhere down the road remains to be seen.
Hmmm. Cisneros' case was over falsely stating amounts he had paid as hush money to his former mistress during a background investigation. He pled guilty to misdemeanor charges of lying to the FBI. He was fined $10,000. No jail time. No probation. Scooter Libby was convicted of multiple felony counts of perjury and obstruction of justice in a case related to a deliberate disclosure of national security information for partisan political purposes that put the lives of an unknown number of persons at risk and blew the lid off of one of our more important undercover intelligence operations. You sure you want to make apples-to-apples out of this?
I just love the argument "What's the big deal? so and so did it." It's like being pulled over for speeding and telling the officer, "everybody is doing it. What's the big deal?" If a former President did something bad, it is ok for the current President to do it too. Now, why didn't I think of that?
I just love the argument "What's the big deal? so and so did it." It's like being pulled over for speeding and telling the officer, "everybody is doing it. What's the big deal?" If a former President did something bad, it is ok for the current President to do it too. Now, why didn't I think of that?
Most of Clinton's publicized crimes and misdemeanors have to do with his inability to keep his pants zipped.
Bush's crimes and misdemeanors cost thousands of lives and trample the Constitution.
Bush's crimes and misdemeanors cost thousands of lives and trample the Constitution.
Bush has not been charged with any crimes that I'm aware of.
President Johnson was responsible for the deaths of around 58,000 Americans. His whole premise for committing those troops to Southeast Asia in 1964 was based on the alleged attack of the U.S. Naval vessels operating near the coast of North Vietnam in the Gulf of Tonkin. Present-day historians still have been unable to agree the attack ever took place.
Bush has not been charged with any crimes that I'm aware of.
Except through articles of impeachment, a sitting President cannot be named in criminal charges, which is probably a pretty convenient thing for him at this point...
This is not a surprise at all. All presidents do this. Clinton issued 140 pardons for his 2nd term.
Lol Clinton handed out 140 pardons in his last hours as president.
Incuding three of my favorites.
Roger Clinton . Conspiracy to distribute cocaine, 21 U.S.C. § 846 and Distribution of cocaine, 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1)
Susan H."whitewater" McDougal Mail fraud, 18 U.S.C. § 1341; aiding and abetting in misapplication of Small Business Investment Corporation funds, 18 U.S.C. §§ 657 and 2; aiding and abetting in making false entries, 18 U.S.C. §§ 1006 and 2; aiding and abetting in making false statements, 18 U.S.C. §§ 1014 and 2
Marc Rich Wire fraud, mail fraud, racketeering, racketeering conspiracy, criminal forfeiture, income tax evasion, and trading with Iran in violation of trade embargo, 18 U.S.C. §§ 1343, 1341, 1962(c), 1962(d), 1963, and 2; 26 U.S.C. § 7201, 50 U.S.C. § 1705, and 31 C.F.R. §§ 535.206(a)(4), 535.208 and 535.701
Atleast Clinton got a his library built by selling pardons.
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