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Old 07-03-2007, 06:32 AM
 
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I am Conservative first and foremost and I have always voted that way because I am for the ideals of responsibility, hard work, fewer government handouts, less government intrusion in the individuals life, a robust economy, common sense, and because of history. I am also sick of the hypocrisy that comes from the left and their unwillingness to work with others, the lies, spin and deceit just get to me so much too.
Flip Conservative to Liberal, and later left to right, and what have you got?

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History has shown that socialized government programs don't work, socialism and communism don't work.
History has shown and continues to show that good ideas in the public sector succeed and prosper, and bad ones don't. Oddly, the very same principle operates in the private sector. Might have more to do with the quality of the ideas, no matter what sector you're in.

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I am for lower taxes and the Republican tax cuts have only helped people.
Lower than what? And it might have been more accurate to have said that the Republican tax cuts have only helped a few people.

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The problem is that for all of the helpful tax cuts, the Bill Clinton's of the world has record tax hikes at the time which by his own admission he raised too much but he wouldn't cut after that.
As subsequent events have shown, the principal foreseeable result of massive tax cuts circa 2000 was the undoing of a decade's worth of hard work done in stabilizing the federal financial situation. We can only hope now to find someone who can lead us back to where Clinton et al had originally taken us. The wait for that could be a long one.

 
Old 07-03-2007, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Port St. Lucie and Okeechobee, FL
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...The GOP relies now on mostly white; less educated voters in the mid and deep south, who are not wealthy. The GOP attracts these people who have strong religious views, are anti gay rights and marriage, know little about science and have a narrow perspective of the world. Strangely enough, many of these folks vote against their own interests primarily because their conservatives cultural beliefs get in the way of their economic needs. Issues like flag burning, patriotism, guns, gays, abortion are more important then the environment, stem cell research, and personal liberty...
Thank you for summing up in so few words exactly what I have been trying to say for some time, now. The GOP has duped these people by plying on their fears and making promises to them that can't possibly be kept. It was not long ago that we learned that members of the Vice President's staff routinely laughed at the naivety of the religious right. They have been taking advantage of these poor, ignorant people, promising them the world to get their votes, and then privately laughing at them for being so dumb. It is exactly why this thread is titled, "Why would someone vote Republican if you are not rich?" The answer is, because you believe the lies and deceit of the Republican leaders, and don't realize how they are taking advantage of you.

I doubt there are many members of the Forbes 400 posting here, so I think it's safe to say that every person who has defended the GOP has been duped.
 
Old 07-03-2007, 07:00 AM
 
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The paradox here in Connecticut and New England is that be you ultra wealthy, middle class or urban poor- people tend to vote the same; Democrat and progressive.
I fail to see the paradox. The ultra wealthy are out of touch, and the poor have been lead to believe by the liberals that they deserve a hand out. Actually, the urban poor are what keeps the democrats in the race in the U.S. The democrats depend on them for their votes. If they didn't have their votes most liberal candidates wouldn't stand a chance.
So, the heart of the U.S, middle American do want a conservative candidate, and they are the ones that keep this country running. Why shouldn't they have a say so. Why should those on aid and who do little contribute have a say in the government of this country?
 
Old 07-03-2007, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Holly Springs, NC USA
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There is no paradox. Lower CT is an extension of the liberal element of NYC. Ironically, just looking at the taxation that occurs in both of those places and you can easily see how the people in both places have been so easily duped into thikng that the government is working for them when in fact it isn't.

I love CT but I hate the taxation that goes on there.
 
Old 07-03-2007, 07:10 AM
 
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Just out of curioisty, if you are not rich or have no plans to become rich, why would you vote Republican?
What planet do you live on? If you are not rich, or as you say "dont plan on becoming rich"(what does that mean?) you want to be poor? Then the republican party is the party you would vote for, because they are the party that fights to let you keep the money you have and keep more of the money you earn! Unless of course you dont want to work and are just looking for a hand out, and to be provided for,then the democrats would be your party! but then i suspect you already know this!
 
Old 07-03-2007, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Port St. Lucie and Okeechobee, FL
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I am Conservative first and foremost and I have always voted that way because I am for the ideals of responsibility, hard work, fewer government handouts, less government intrusion in the individuals life, a robust economy, common sense, and because of history. I am also sick of the hypocrisy that comes from the left and their unwillingness to work with others, the lies, spin and deceit just get to me so much too.
First of all , you need to read my previous post. Second, you should look again at Democrats. I am a Democrat. I am a liberal. I take full responsibility for my own actions, always have. I worked hard. I owned my own business. I have turned that hard work into a reasonably comfortable retirement. I have never taken a government handout. I strongly believe in less government intrusion in individuals' lives. I depend on a robust economy. I think I have more than a modicum of common sense. And, I am a avid student of history.

Let's look at some of those concepts.

Democrats make up approximately half of the nation's population. Most are hard working and take full responsibility for their actions. You are taking the characteristics of a tiny minority and trying to paste them on your friends, neighbors and fellow church members. This is a perfect example of the narrow-mindedness and intolerance of conservatives.

Government handouts -- over an over, people have posted about corporate welfare -- government handouts, sponsored by Republicans, to the richest companies. It was a Democratic administration that forged the first workable welfare reform in our history, but you apparently have conveniently forgotten that. And, don't give me any crap about a GOP Congress and welfare reform; that Congress passed 2 or 3 bad, unworkable laws that Clinton had to veto before they came up with a reasonable law that would work -- and it was a Democratic President who forced their hand, something no Republican President has ever managed to accomplish. By the way, the only reason the GOP sent those bad programs to the President was to force his veto, so they could later claim he vetoed welfare reform. They would have hated it, themselves, if any of them had actually been passed -- they deliberately made them unworkable to get the veto. That's a typical example of GOP dirty tricks.

Government intrusion -- this is a particularly ironic one for a conservative to bring up. The Republicans have invaded everyone's privacy, intruded more into our lives than any administration in recent history, and are actively trying to pass laws that force their religious views on the rest of us, against the Constitution they claim to hold in such esteem.

Sadly, your post is a joke. Not something you did, but a bad, sick joke, actually played on you by the Republican leadership.
 
Old 07-03-2007, 07:25 AM
 
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Sadly, your post is a joke. Not something you did, but a bad, sick joke, actually played on you by the Republican leadership.
It's no joke. The democrats have pulled the wool over the urban poor's eyes believing they are there to help them. And as long as they believe this they will continue to cast those votes for them. But really, where has it gotten them? Are they any better off? Nope. It's the democratic leaders who have snowed you.
 
Old 07-03-2007, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Port St. Lucie and Okeechobee, FL
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...Actually, the urban poor are what keeps the democrats in the race in the U.S. The democrats depend on them for their votes. If they didn't have their votes most liberal candidates wouldn't stand a chance.
Let's say that's true. In fact, there may be more than a grain of truth in it. But, can't you see that it is exactly the same as the subject of this thread? The Republicans depend on your naive belief in their hollow promises to achieve their power.

The religious right has not benefited from this administration; nothing has changed in their favor, except the President is preventing stem cell research -- using embryos that will be thrown away without the research. Dead is dead, but conservatives don't seem to have the common sense to realize that. The "smaller government" group has gained nothing -- the government is larger than ever, ironic after it became smaller under the Clinton administration. The "moral values" folks have gained nothing -- especially ironic since it is liberals like Tipper Gore who have led the fight against certain lyrics in music, for example. The economic factions have gained nothing -- the country is deeper in debt, the economy is not as good as it was under Clinton, spending has increased dramatically, and our debt has been sold into the control of foreigners who are more dangerous to us than terrorists. The "defend our nation" folks have gained nothing, in fact they have lost much, with reports like the one released this morning that more terrorists are spread in more places around the world as a direct result of our Iraq invasion.

So, maybe the Dems do use the votes from the poor to obtain office -- just as the GOP uses the votes of duped middle-classers and special interest groups. The difference is that when Dems are in office everyone benefits, not only the poor folks who voted for them, but even conservatives are better off. They are just so brainwashed by the Fox News folks and the like that they can't see it.

I don't hate you for it, I pity you.
 
Old 07-03-2007, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Port St. Lucie and Okeechobee, FL
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It's no joke. The democrats have pulled the wool over the urban poor's eyes believing they are there to help them. And as long as they believe this they will continue to cast those votes for them. But really, where has it gotten them? Are they any better off? Nope. It's the democratic leaders who have snowed you.
I just provided you a laundry list of why you have been duped by your leadership. You owe me a similar list of why people are worse off under Dems? It's not good enough to just say it.
 
Old 07-03-2007, 07:31 AM
 
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Let's say that's true. In fact, there may be more than a grain of truth in it. But, can't you see that it is exactly the same as the subject of this thread? The Republicans depend on your naive belief in their hollow promises to achieve their power.

The religious right has not benefited from this administration; nothing has changed in their favor, except the President is preventing stem cell research -- using embryos that will be thrown away without the research. Dead is dead, but conservatives don't seem to have the common sense to realize that. The "smaller government" group has gained nothing -- the government is larger than ever, ironic after it became smaller under the Clinton administration. The "moral values" folks have gained nothing -- especially ironic since it is liberals like Tipper Gore who have led the fight against certain lyrics in music, for example. The economic factions have gained nothing -- the country is deeper in debt, the economy is not as good as it was under Clinton, spending has increased dramatically, and our debt has been sold into the control of foreigners who are more dangerous to us than terrorists. The "defend our nation" folks have gained nothing, in fact they have lost much, with reports like the one released this morning that more terrorists are spread in more places around the world as a direct result of our Iraq invasion.

So, maybe the Dems do use the votes from the poor to obtain office -- just as the GOP uses the votes of duped middle-classers and special interest groups. The difference is that when Dems are in office everyone benefits, not only the poor folks who voted for them, but even conservatives are better off. They are just so brainwashed by the Fox News folks and the like that they can't see it.

I don't hate you for it, I pity you.
Gee, thanks for not hating.

I don't pity liberals, I have empathy for them, though they are flustrating at times. I do get angry with those that purposely mislead people, such as the Rosie Odonnells and Mike Moores of the world! I feel bad for them.
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