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I just have to put this out there. I have noticed that not many people on the left, especially Liberals and Progressives actually know what the Separation of Church and State actually means. They, for some reason, think that you can't pray on public property. That is so false it is funny. Jefferson used to hold Church sermons in the Federal Buidlings in DC. All it means is that the Fed Govt. can't establish a state sponsored religion. That's ALL it means!
It has been interpeted to mean that providing space in public buildings for religious icons or texts is in effect establishing a religion by providing public support. I object to any government support of a particular religion or any at all.
It has been interpeted to mean that providing space in public buildings for religious icons or texts is in effect establishing a religion by providing public support. I object to any government support of a particular religion or any at all.
PS: I am not an atheist most of the time.
What you described is not the original intent. How did Jefferson get away with having Church Sermons in Government buildings?
I just have to put this out there. I have noticed that not many people on the left, especially Liberals and Progressives actually know what the Separation of Church and State actually means. They, for some reason, think that you can't pray on public property. That is so false it is funny. Jefferson used to hold Church sermons in the Federal Buidlings in DC. All it means is that the Fed Govt. can't establish a state sponsored religion. That's ALL it means!
Strange, I have noticed just the opposite: that many Liberals and Progressives realize that the First Amendment states: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Now, you do have 'nuts', of all types, who misread that useful Amendment. However, knowledgeable people know that a public school teacher, for instance, may read from the Bible in a classroom, teach comparative religions, etc.
May also know that the Courts have always upheld the In God We Trust motto on coins. Each day a religious leader opens the House and Senate deliberations with a prayer, and so on.
However, it is fun to open a new thread accusing a group of some thought crime; then pronouncing said group guilty of said thought crime without any evidence whatsoever, and then chuckling over your perceived surperiority.
I may well start a thread thusly:
I have noticed that many people on the Right engage in sexual relations with underage boys and girls. They seem to think that the 'age of consent' mandated in all 50 states is a 'suggestion' but not a law. It is not. Conservatives are fools to think that they may rape children under the age of consent, regardless of how rich they are. Plying children with Whiskey also does not mitigate the crime, regardless of what Conservatives may think. The fact that a well-known conservative radio commentator believes in having multiple wives does not excuse statutory rape. Aren't Conservatives stupid, and have odd looking children?
Strange, I have noticed just the opposite: that many Liberals and Progressives realize that the First Amendment states: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Now, you do have 'nuts', of all types, who misread that useful Amendment. However, knowledgeable people know that a public school teacher, for instance, may read from the Bible in a classroom, teach comparative religions, etc.
May also know that the Courts have always upheld the In God We Trust motto on coins. Each day a religious leader opens the House and Senate deliberations with a prayer, and so on.
However, it is fun to open a new thread accusing a group of some thought crime; then pronouncing said group guilty of said thought crime without any evidence whatsoever, and then chuckling over your perceived surperiority.
I may well start a thread thusly:
I have noticed that many people on the Right engage in sexual relations with underage boys and girls. They seem to think that the 'age of consent' mandated in all 50 states is a 'suggestion' but not a law. It is not. Conservatives are fools to think that they may rape children under the age of consent, regardless of how rich they are. Plying children with Whiskey also does not mitigate the crime, regardless of what Conservatives may think. The fact that a well-known conservative radio commentator believes in having multiple wives does not excuse statutory rape. Aren't Conservatives stupid, and have odd looking children?
But, that would be silly of me, so I won't do it.
I guess you either can't read or are just not paying attention. Look at what the progressives here post. They actually think it is Freedom FROM Religion and you can't pray on public property. Read and learn...
I'm a liberal Atheist and I don't give a crap if you pray on public property. Pray up a storm! Pray all you want!
Just don't erect religion statuary or monuments and don't force others (i.e. lead prayer at a public event on public property) to pray with you and it doesn't bother me in the slightest.
I just have to put this out there. I have noticed that not many people on the rightt, especially teabaggers and right-wing fundies actually know what the Separation of Church and State actually means. They, for some reason, think that America is some sort of Christian nation. That is so false it is funny. Jefferson himself coined the phrase, separation of church and state. All it means is that the Fed, State or Local Govt. can't support a particular religion. That's ALL it means! But that's a lot!
There are plenty of examples of countries where the church and government are the same thing. Countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia. America, with its religious freedom, is MUCH better.
I guess you either can't read or are just not paying attention. Look at what the progressives here post. They actually think it is Freedom FROM Religion and you can't pray on public property. Read and learn...
I obviously can read and understand much better than you. By the way, simply yacking about "them" and "they" does not actually prove any argument you advance.
I just have to put this out there. I have noticed that not many people on the rightt, especially teabaggers and right-wing fundies actually know what the Separation of Church and State actually means. They, for some reason, think that America is some sort of Christian nation. That is so false it is funny. Jefferson himself coined the phrase, separation of church and state. All it means is that the Fed, State or Local Govt. can't support a particular religion. That's ALL it means! But that's a lot!
There are plenty of examples of countries where the church and government are the same thing. Countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia. America, with its religious freedom, is MUCH better.
I'm glad you know what it means, too bad others don't and like to argue their ill conceived facts.
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