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Old 10-07-2010, 08:10 PM
 
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What about putting a lien on his land?
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Old 10-07-2010, 08:12 PM
 
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I am sorry, if you can own a home, and you pay your insurance, and you cannot, (or in the case of THIS Person, WILL NOT), pay $6.25 a month to insure or ensure as the case may be, the fact that if you have a fire someone will respond, then too bad, so sad.

This wasn't a problem with the due date, the fire department stated that they perform 2 mailings and a phone call.
I have an elderly grandmother who is slipping in mental faculties. I had to arrange her finances so that her bills are paid automatically so she wouldn't have a house of cards checking account with late fees gobbling up her fixed income. She's not a deadbeat.
Did this subscription service offer auto payments through personal bank accounts? Maybe that's a better use of austere administration funds than chasing people down with reminders when they might be a truck driver on the road for 2 mos at a clip or stationed in Iraq at the time their home burns down.
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Old 10-07-2010, 08:17 PM
 
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I like the link you provided. A $100,000 grant going to the FAIRGROUNDS for the building of a multi-purpose facility at the fairgrounds. That grant has NOTHING to do with the CCFR. Below is this statement:

Last year MCCF donated to Needline Food Pantry, local churches, The Angel (Health Care) Clinic, Calloway County Santa Project, Calloway County DES Rescue Squad, Calloway County Fire and Rescue, Coats for the Community, Food Baskets for the Elderly, Hooked on Fishing, non-profit sports leagues, individuals that experienced hardship (such as fire, accident, etc.), 4-H, FFA, Calloway County High School Track Team, Farmers’ Market of Murray-Calloway County, and the Kentucky Association of Fairs and Horse Shows Young Adult Scholarship Fund.

Now where you are getting that they received large grants out of that...I dunno. More spin I see. I told you that the Calloway County Fire Rescue is funded by grants and donations. You basically called me a liar. Donations and grants...not property taxes or subscription fee's.
Your fire department did not build what they have by selling baked goods like you insinuated, I'm not trying to spin anything. Tax dollars go to your fire department one way or the other, that's pretty typical and there's nothing wrong with it.
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Old 10-07-2010, 08:20 PM
 
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I have an elderly grandmother who is slipping in mental faculties. I had to arrange her finances so that her bills are paid automatically so she wouldn't have a house of cards checking account with late fees gobbling up her fixed income. She's not a deadbeat.
Did this subscription service offer auto payments through personal bank accounts? Maybe that's a better use of austere administration funds than chasing people down with reminders when they might be a truck driver on the road for 2 mos at a clip or stationed in Iraq at the time their home burns down.
Was this homeowner an elderly grandfather who was slipping mentally or was he a soldier stationed in Iraq for a year?

NO, you people can "what if" until the cows come home but the house is gone and there's only a couple people to blame. The idiot burning trash too close to the house and the homeowner for not paying the $75 fee.
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Old 10-07-2010, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
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If they accept taxpayers money they must serve everyone.
If they accept no taxpayer money they should not have an area
They owner should sue and own their trucks
They accept money from taxpayers IN THE CITY of South Fulton.
They do NOT accept tax money from people OUTSIDE the city.
They offer residents of the county, but OUTSIDE the city, access to firefighter service, for a fee of $75 per year.
They proveide the offered service, TO THOSE WHO ASKED FOR AND PAID FOR that service.
The homeowner in this case has no suit. He chose to NOT pay the fee. Therefore, he was not a client of this fire department. Tragic, but entirely of his choosing.
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Old 10-07-2010, 08:40 PM
 
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Sometimes life is black and white. And sometimes we have to learn the hard way that our decisions have consequences.

And what is with all the "what if" scenarios? It's not very complicated
If the balance between individual rights and community rights isn't complicated, isn't a shade of gray vs black and white you insist, why has congress been in session since the birth of this nation? Why the supreme court? Why any court at all? Sorry, life isn't that simple. Divorcing yourself entirely from morality doesn't work for the rest of us. No vote from me. Not now. Not ever.

No one in this thread suggested this man shouldn't be held accountable for his actions on his property (including the kid burning trash). His paying neighbors being jeopardized is enough testament. This plan is dysfunctional.
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Old 10-07-2010, 08:47 PM
 
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The volunteers in my town would have saved his home and sorted it out later. hope these losers dont run the local ambulance,out of town plates sorry you didn't pay the local protection fee so die.the new Mafia
Yes it is the new mafia. I guess out of state plates also don't get law enforcement service when they're robbed because they failed to pay their 'fair share' of local law enforcement for a town. No lawyer or courthouse either because they failed to pay state taxes for a state they don't live in.
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Old 10-07-2010, 08:52 PM
 
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These "losers" did exactly what they needed to do under the circumstances. Until their funding structure changes they can't be expected to keep giving away their services. They are not a "new mafia" nor an old one. They are a city fire department that had no obligation to put out a fire outside their city, and certainly not to someone outside the city who already took advantage of their services once and still didn't pay up.
The losers are the policy makers and the citizens who smiled along with this policy because they were too cheap to bother with a universal call system. There are many ways to go about things but this is the best their selfish brains could manage to conjure. Sad that this man had to serve as an example of their own folly. Very sad those firefighters were let down betraying their oath with their hands tied behind their backs.
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Old 10-07-2010, 08:59 PM
 
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The losers are the policy makers and the citizens who smiled along with this policy because they were too cheap to bother with a universal call system. There are many ways to go about things but this is the best their selfish brains could manage to conjure. Sad that this man had to serve as an example of their own folly. Very sad those firefighters were let down betraying their oath with their hands tied behind their backs.
Some of you REALLY need to learn to read, a universal call system wouldn't fix this problem because the homeowner doesn't live within any city limits by his own choice. HE chose to live in a rural area which has very low taxes because there are very few services provided. People do this all the time, you drill a water well and put in a septic system and besides electricity and telephone you do your own thing. There are no citizens to blame here other than the homeowner... this is rural KY, if you look at the map where do you draw the line? This small city run and funded fire department offered people who live outside the city the option to buy in and gain fire protection services. That helps both parties and the price is very reasonable. Now all of a sudden because the homeowner chose not to pay the $75 you want to say that this small fire department should cover a couple hundred square miles of rural area and everyone in that area should be taxes just like a city resident. Taxes would go up because they would have to buy more equipment and trucks to cover that much area while a lot of rural people wouldn't want the service in the first place. People move to areas like that to get away from the city, that's why they have a choice in stuff like this.
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Old 10-07-2010, 09:08 PM
 
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Was this homeowner an elderly grandfather who was slipping mentally or was he a soldier stationed in Iraq for a year?

NO, you people can "what if" until the cows come home but the house is gone and there's only a couple people to blame. The idiot burning trash too close to the house and the homeowner for not paying the $75 fee.
Any policy created, and any response plan of professionals, is predicated on what if scenarios. Emergency response personnel and military know this, and so do gov't officials. You can ignore this fact to serve your argument but the only thing you've proven to me is that you're completely unaware of how these systems work. Talking about "what if's" to revise policy is not out of line.

The idiot burning trash too close isn't the point either. The point is our personal liberties and choices do affect others and as it pertains to fire it doesn't respect boundaries. It needs to be managed differently because a subscription system that denies universal response to a defined area is dysfunctional. The real thing to work on is figuring out a better method of 100% collecting that necessary fee fairly.
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